Creflo Dollar on Tithing

Watch this insane video with Creflo Dollar on tithing. Here are few things he says

  • If it weren’t for the blood of Jesus he (creflo) would hold people at gun point to give a tithe.
  • If you take the time to tithe correctly it’s impossible to go to hell
  • Tithing will keep you in heaven and in the presence of God
  • The only way you are going to be healed is through the tithe

This tithing rant by creflo dollar just makes me sick.

Jared Bartholomew is the author of www.tithing.com. There are over 300 articles written on research and reviews about tithing information.

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32 comments on “Creflo Dollar on Tithing
  1. David says:

    What a complete clown! No wonder some people look at the church as money grubbing organiztion.
    .-= David´s last blog .."Such as…" (still funny 3 years later) =-.

  2. This is clear proof that Creflo Dollar’s false teachings and his love for money have distorted his understanding of the doctrines of salvation and grace…if he ever had a Biblical understanding of these things to begin with.

    • alan says:

      Creflo Dollar preaches one must be born again to be saved, just as Jesus taught. Is that what you believe?

      • GotJesus says:

        That is not the issue. The issue is his stance on tithing, as well as his preaching the prosperity gospel, which is another gospel. This is NOT what Jesus called ANYONE to preach!

      • Zed Cartwright says:

        Alan. If a man preaches that one must be born again as Jesus taught but then teaches other things contrary to what Jesus and the apostles taught, then that man is nothing more than a heretic. Dollar preaches tithing that is debunked in Hebrews 7 which states that tithing was allotted only to the Levites under Levitical/Old Testament law. Jesus was not a Levite thus he could not legally receive a tithe. But Jesus became the one and only High Priest forevermore. So the law had to be changed. Not changed so Jesus could receive tithes but the whole Levitical system/law was disannulled. The Old Testament law was changed to the precepts of Christ, which did not adopt any of the laws of the Levitical system. When the Old Testament law was changed, the law of faith was established which simply meant that the Christian was to strive to do righteousness. Within this new system the manner of giving was expressly stated not to be of compulsion(required/law) but of free will and in good conscious in proportion to what one had received. So a very wealthy person should give far in excess of ten percent while a poor person should give less. Putting people under the law of tithing is saying the sacrifice on the cross was in vain as we are still under religious law and not grace. It causes people to believe they have trespassed God (sin within their conscious) unless they give ten percent. For without law there is no trespass/sin. You bring sin back into play when you establish a law that Christ disannulled. Hebrews 7 says that tithing was a carnal (temporary/of this world) commandment that was disannulled because it was weak and unprofitable (wicked men took tithes not according to original Mosaic law). Verse 16 says that Jesus was not made (doctrinally formed) after (in accordance to) a carnal commandment (tithing) but of an endless life. Now Dollar also teaches the prosperity doctrine or godliness is material gain. I Timothy 6:5 describes those supposing (conjuring up) this doctrine as perverting the word in order to dispute the truth. They are corrupt and destitute of the truth. For the love of money is the root of all evil, while some coveted after they have erred from the faith. Paul goes on in his letter to Timothy to give a commandment not to covet (heap up) wealth to oneself and to strictly keep this commandment until the return of Jesus. So Dollar teaches heresies and covets wealth. But you say because he teaches that a man has to be born again that we are therein obligated to accept all his other doctrinal garbage and to overlook the fact that he is disobedient to scripture concerning personal wealth building. No sir. You need to stop listening to this money chaser and start reading your Bible and asking God not Dollar for proper interpretation.

  3. TJ says:

    Wow, my stomach turned over just watching that mess! I pray they see the error of their ways before the Lord returns to apprehend them. Creflo will be held accountable for all his actions to God the Most High alone. And while I see that what he teaches is not the Truth of the Word. I have to remember this …

    Matthew 7:3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

    Creflo in God’s hands and I do think that exposing false works claiming to be the Truth is necessary.

    For all who seek and know the Truth of the Word of God as revealed to you by the Holy Spirit, may God continue to bless you all! One Love!

  4. Tasha says:

    It is sad that you all persecute someone that you know nothing about. If you knew God for yourself you could discern the truth of His word. I know that the “prosperity gospel” works because I live by it and it has manifested in my own personal life! You should look to God and stop wasting your time bad mouthing men of God who are making a difference. If the people of God are not suppose to be RICH who should be? Drug dealers, rappers and shady business men?! PLEASE!

    • joel says:

      Hi ,Tasha Please think about this very carefully. If having a lot of money means we are blessed because of tithing and a fruit of being spiritual then drug dealers, mafia bosses and billionares who are atheist must be spiritual giants. Having wealth and showing it off does not mean we are blessed of God. Jesus threw people out of the temple who were conducting business and trading with a whip, and the bible teaches us that we cant serve God and money.

      If Jesus was here now, can you see him selling a dvd or a cd about his teaching and sermons ? Pastors are selling the gospel for money to line their pockets and they call that being blessed of God. ( 1 Timothy 6:5 AMP) and (1 Timothy 6:9AMP) Its very clear unless you want to ignore it

      Please do not be deceived by these people who peddle the gospel for profit

      • J says:

        That’s not at all what Tasha was saying. Way to twist words. Things that are evil are simple to get in abundance… if money were evil, we would have lots of it… That’s just how the devil works. You see a crack head on the street, he won’t have any money, but he will have dope. That’s the thing. The Bible says that it’s the love of money that is evil, not money itself. If you look it up, it actually says that you should make friends with money, and it talks about being able to be trusted with money to do what is right. The Bible also talks about the fact that money is needed to get things done.

        Luke
        8 “The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light. 9 I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.
        10 “Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. 11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? 12 And if you have not been trustworthy with someone else’s property, who will give you property of your own?
        13 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”
        14 The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus. 15 He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.

        1 Timothy
        10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

        1 Timothy
        17 Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. 18 Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. 19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.

        Matthew 25
        14 “Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his wealth to them. 15 To one he gave five bags of gold, to another two bags, and to another one bag,[a] each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received five bags of gold went at once and put his money to work and gained five bags more. 17 So also, the one with two bags of gold gained two more. 18 But the man who had received one bag went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master’s money.
        19 “After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received five bags of gold brought the other five. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with five bags of gold. See, I have gained five more.’
        21 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’
        22 “The man with two bags of gold also came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘you entrusted me with two bags of gold; see, I have gained two more.’
        23 “His master replied, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master’s happiness!’
        24 “Then the man who had received one bag of gold came. ‘Master,’ he said, ‘I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your gold in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.’
        26 “His master replied, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.
        28 “‘So take the bag of gold from him and give it to the one who has ten bags. 29 For whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

        • Zed Cartwright says:

          J- For whoever has will be given more , and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them is not referring to gaining or losing money. Apparently you are not seeking the Holy Spirit for interpretation, but rather accepting second hand teaching (false indoctrination). This is talking about those who have solid faith in good ground (in Christ seeking sound doctrine). Those who have true faith of the heart will study their word firsthand as scripture instructs (investing in the unadulterated word for the master) while asking the Spirit for discernment. They will increase in knowledge and understanding from the Holy Spirit that produces spiritual fruit, while those of little or superficial faith are subject to falling away when temptation or trials arise. In total disregard of the word (God), in disobedience, they will not study the word (invest in God)and will therein lose the little faith that they once had. Now these scriptures you gave are a parable where material things such as gold is used figuratively in order to relay a message that the reader can relate to as an example. This message only represents the fact that the believer is not to remain complacent and stagnant in his faith but to invest in it so that he produces fruit for God. This is apparent from the vast majority of scriptures that contradict your literal interpretation. The problem with all these fraud preachers is that they look upon and interpret everything in the natural or material instead of acknowledging that the New Covenant is a spiritual entity as opposed to the Old which was material. Scripture says those who are not spiritual can not discern spiritual things. In the Old Covenant, for the most part, man was separated spiritually from God due to transgression. So God dealt with him in the natural or material. So for keeping the OT law man was rewarded materially. Faith in Christ brings blessings that are primarily spiritual as the transgression is paid for, and we are reconnected spiritually to God through faith. The true believer does not serve God for the purpose of material gain (see scriptural references in my comment above to Alan), but rather serves God in order to receive the gifts of the Holy Spirit and ultimately for an eternal reward after death (after departure from this material world). But the frauds take a few diverse scriptures and pervert them in order to preach a material lie. This lie always affirms their covetous lifestyles so followers will continue giving and attending their sham services without calling for accountability to where offerings go and how they are dispersed for the Kingdom of God and not heaped up for their own little vain material kingdoms. True ministers are servants of God, not lords over the church. They say we are not to judge their deceits. However the word of God says we have a duty to do so. Judge not is judging not by your own carnal or worldly judgments, especially when the unlearned are judging. Righteous judgment is a spiritual man quoting scripture that contradicts the lie. If any man teaches contrary to this truth then the word judges him, not the messenger of the word. New Testament converts (unlearned babes) were judging others by the law of Moses or by their own prejudices and not by scripture. So it was necessary for them to be taught otherwise. Scripture says the spiritual man judges all things yet he is judged by no man. That folks is because the spiritual man judges by the word and it is the word (God) and not the man that judges. Wake up church.

    • There nothing wrong in being rich god knows your heart god loves a cheerful giver the reason Mathew 6.33 is god wants to first then it’s gods job to take care of you but you must believe he will to it to work.

    • Farai says:

      Tasha. You’re right about discerning the truth of his word. Our journeys in Christ are ongoing, so the more we grow and be like him, the more you realise that riches are more than money, especially where we are going in our journey. Lets continue to read the word, meditate on it and we will get the true definition of God’s riches

    • Zed Cartwright says:

      Tasha- I saw that Dollar is worth $26 million. So how rich does a man need to be before he has enough? At what point does his riches amount to nothing but the sin of covetousness that Jesus and the apostles condemned as utter selfishness that is equated with idolatry and will send one to hell? Oh how unlearned indoctrinated church folks love to idolize and heap treasure upon flattering charismatic heretical preachers. You need to read I Timothy 6. Verse 5 describes those as corrupt and destitute of the truth, perverting the word in order to dispute the truth who suppose (conjure up) this so called prosperity doctrine which dictates that godliness is for the purpose of material gain. Pay special attention to what verse 10 says about the love of money being the root of all evil, while some coveted after they have erred from the faith. Paul gave a commandment not to covet money/wealth until the return of Jesus and to strictly adhere to this commandment. Jesus said Woe to the rich for they have received their consolation (they are consoled and comforted with riches on this earth only to lose it all and reap damnation). Jesus said beware of covetousness for a man’s life consist not of the abundance of his possessions. You sit under Dollar and other frauds being taught that blessings of God are material (temporary) like they were under the Old Covenant, but the blessings of Christ are spiritual (eternal). Jesus said your heart (faith) is where your treasures are (trusting in material wealth demonstrates that your faith is in the here and now, not the hereafter. Building up spiritual treasure is faith in God being content and patience until you reap your final reward and not lustfully serving the god of this greedy selfish world (money/possessions/self esteem/worldly pride). Jesus said you can not serve both God and mammon (money/wealth). So if you need $26 million to feel comfortable and secure then there is no doubt that you serve mammon and not God. The story of the beggar Lazarus and the rich man was given by Jesus as an example of the filthy rich who love only themselves to the point that they will not even gives crumbs from their table. How can one love his neighbor as himself when his neighbor described as one in desperate need goes without while he wallows in tens of millions of dollars? Even kids starve and die of disease while such greedy men lavish themselves in the treasures of this world and never being satisfied but endlessly lusting for more, Wake up and depart from such ignorance, before it consumes your soul also. By the way, that is what separates the Christian from the world. The drug dealers, rappers, shady business men etc. are chasing the god of this world. So should Christians chase after the same god? God forbid.

  5. Tasha,
    I’m just going to be blunt and say it. I don’t care if you think it’s rude, mean, or whatever. You are a fool. You truly are a sheep blindly following the butcher to the slaughter house. No one said to stay poor.

    I would not wish you, me, or anyone else to be poor. As a matter of fact. i want you to get as much wealth and riches as you possibly can. I want you to have so much money, that you wouldn’t even know what to do with it.

    People like you just get me pissed off! You have no clue. What justification can you make on this con artist living fat off the sacrifices of widows. This man isn’t offering a service that people have an option to purchase. He isn’t selling them a product. He is getting fat off the laws in God’s word that were meant to take care of needs. Instead, this fool uses the bible to pay for things even way beyond his wants. Creflo isn’t rich because of a business. He is rich by abusing the laws of giving and receiving found in the bible. There is a huge differences in being rich off hard work, and being rich from the grace of widows.

    These preachers are drunken, glutenous pigs that don’t know when to stop asking for money. If we saw a person that was just as drunk and obese as the level of monetary gluttony of prosperity pigs, we’d be disgusted. Instead, you grovel in the same trough that these pigs engorge on. You make me just as sick.

    – jared

    • alan says:

      Creflo Dollar preaches on must be born again to receive salvation and eternal life, just as Jesus taught. Are you born again, see John 3.

      • GotJesus says:

        Do not keep repeating the same comment over and over. And stop trying to incorporate the salvation doctrine into this.

  6. Matadi says:

    Jared,
    I’m in Houston and we have the biggest gluttonous of them all here, I couldn’t have said it better myself and Tasha, please pray fervently for spiritual discernment… Jah bless

  7. Max says:

    Boy, does this dude have it coming. I wouldn’t want to be him on the deathbed.

  8. Believer says:

    I witnessed Dr. Dollar speak last night at service. I gave this church a try and luckily to my amazement, the world renowned Dr. Dollar was there to speak. Frankly, I was excited! The church was packed so much that I could not even get a seat so I decided to stand in the back. The greeters reminded me more of bouncers in a club trying to get people here and there. I did not feel welcomed by them. One came up to me confused if I worked there and asked me if I was serving that night. I told him that I am not a server in this church but if you need any help, I would be more than happy to help you. He looked at me with a straight face and said, “No, we have it covered. Please sit somewhere…I’ll see you around”. He did not let go of my hand or or break eye contact until I did as if it was a manly competition. There were lights everywhere, 3 professional movie quality camera’s floating above the congregation, 3 massive projector screens, strobe lights and the feeling like I was in a production from Las Vegas. That is what is was, a show. It was…entertainment. Sensationalized entertainment captivating the vulnerable hearts of those looking for hope. Unfortunately they found a place that will suck their hope even deeper, making their wallets lighter and being entertained instead of taught. I was there only for 45 minutes until I decided to leave. Although, the music was great. The first part of service was about tithing and the rant went on for about 20 minutes on giving to the ministry. I do believe that you need to give to your church to maintain and improve its mission but I do not agree that tithing should be the only mission. I gave $6. I was there, I recieved a message so I gave a little. Although, when Dr. Dollar came up to speak things changed for me. He spoke about how you need to give material wealth in exchange for spiritual wealth. I was confused at first but then I just became offended at what he said next. He said that when he was in the airport, a man dropped to his knees and begged for Dr. Dollars blessing. The man said, “Man of God, give me your annointing, bless me please!” Dr. Dollar demanded that the man get up and called him a fool. He said that you do not just ask for a blessing, you have to sow unto my ministry in order to get a blessing. You have to pay in order to recieve. I was so angry once I heard that. He said that while in the church, you have the Holy Spirit, but if you do not tithe “correctly” before you leave, the spirit is no longer with you. The tithing sermon went on, and on and on…I could not take it anymore. I wanted to throw my pamphlet onto the stage and call him out. However, I do not have the justice to act as such. Plus, I did not want a plethora of bouncers to kick me out of church. I felt upset that the music, lights and sensations over stimulate the church before they ask for tithing. It is like they are brainwashed. Even I gave money… I will not listen to Dr. $$$$$ anymore.

  9. Patricia says:

    It’s really the other way around!  Paul warns that if you come under the Law you come under a curse (Gal.3:10) and you can fall from grace (Gal.5:4).  Dollar (a very fitting name) teaches that tithing will keep you saved.  Scripture teaches just the opposite.  Paul often addressed the controversy of his own day, circumcision, another part of the Old Law.  If there was money to be made out of circumcision, a lot of preachers would drag their garden shears out from behind the pulpit and scare all the men out of the church house!  Paul NEVER taught tithing or rebuked anyone for failure to give (or PAY) a certain amount to the church.  Jesus never once took up tithes.  Tithes consisted ONLY of produce of the Land of Israel, and were paid only by Israelite farmers and herdsmen, not by burger flippers and widget makers (Lev.27:30-34).  Preachers are so hungry for money they’ll twist God’s Word and add their OWN rules and regulations to it to threaten the sheeple with hell fire for failure to give THEM what they want (because these leecher preachers hate to work for their living). 

    • James says:

      Hi Patricia,
      Thank you for a very clear and precise teaching on unbiblical money tithing . I just want to let you know about a teaching by A great servant of the Lord name Derek Prince, you can find his teaching on youtube called “Blessing and Curses ” .It will open your eyes how true and relevant what you just commented here.
      To add on what you said about the curse Paul said in Galatians 3:10 , It is still working today because it was inspired by the Holy Spirit . Paul said a little leaven leaveneths the whole lump reffering to the baking mixture used in making bread. To keep one law we need to keep the whole lot under the old covenant .Either we are redeemed from the curse of the law or we are not .Many pastors, and good christians are sadly mistaken or deceived by this very cunning way Satan has brought this money tithe to try and make Christ death and our redemtion as  something of no signifigance .They even teach that their church members are financialy cursed because they dont tithe which is an abomination . We can not take tithing away from the law because Christ said in Mathew 23:23 that biblical tithing was included in the Law of Moses .Money is included in Gods grace or we still have to earn it, then it will not be grace .By Grace we are saved not by works lest anyone may boast.

      • Patricia says:

        Thanks for your uplifting comment. I’m so glad God is opening many Christians’ eyes to the truth about how they’ve been hoodwinked by greedy preachers who are allergic to manual work.

  10. horatio says:

    Hi friends. I have been a faithful tither for many years in the church where I attend besides giving offerings to other ministries. I just faithfully tithe and give. God has been faithful. I have recieved 3 promotions for the past 9 years with salary  raised and my present pay is higher than my head of department. God is faithful. What more can I ask God for. Thank you and God bless you.

    • Patricia says:

      Scripture correctly divided and applied in context to the New Covenant church must be the final authority. For every tither who got blessed, there are thousands more who suffered from getting back under the curse of the law (Gal.3:10). The more I gave to preachers and “tithed” the more destitute we got and the worse luck we had. Thank God I’m FREE now and know there’s no clergy/laity divide in the true Body of Christ. We’re ALL kings and priests unto God (I Pet.2:5 and verse 9) OT priests didn’t tithe to anybody. Tithe and you deny your own priesthood.

    • Zed Cartwright says:

      Horatio- Question you should be asking yourself is where in scripture does it say that a Christian should tithe and if they do they will be blessed materially? That is the teaching of heretics, who seek tithes illegitimately in order to enrich themselves beyond any reasonable measure. Keep in mind that true ministers are servants of God and not lords of this corrupted earth. Paul warned of the end day falling away from sound doctrine of the church that opens the avenue for Antichrist to come in and politically league with corrupt ministers (counterfeit savior promising material deliverance to the church/ church materially indoctrinated/brainwashed in carnal doctrines and wide open for deceit as they can not discern the difference in their doctrines and the one promised by Antichrist/ Money, Money, Money/ material blessings). Paul said therefore brethren hold to the traditions (original Christian doctrine)which ye have been taught whether by word (preaching of apostles) or epistle (letters to the original churches from the apostles/NT scripture). So Paul warned that many false doctrines would be taught and the church would eventually go the way of the OT priesthood and become corrupted due to selfishness and greed. In so doing they will have a pretentious form of godliness, but in actuality oppose Christ through their perverted teachings and lifestyles. So to avoid being entrapped in this corruption and falling to unsound doctrines you must strictly adhere to the original Christian doctrine (one and only unadulterated truth, no variations, no add on, no subtraction). No where in Christian doctrine is tithing preached nor received by the church. To the contrary, Hebrews chapter 7 clearly states that tithing was a carnal or temporary commandment that was in effect before Christianity and that it was disannulled. So not only do you accept a doctrine that was not originally taught, but you also reject doctrine that was taught. I assume this is out of ignorance and indoctrination. Therefore you embrace doctrine other than the one preached by Paul and the other apostles, which Paul warned against. I keep hearing that you have to do this tithing thing and believe in it for it to work as if it was some sort of voodoo ritual. Getting promotions and gaining wealth has nothing to do with the NT blessings of God. Blessings in Christ are spiritual (eternal) and not material(temporary). Of course if you depend on unscrupulous ministers to tell you what scripture says instead of studying your word and asking for firsthand revelation from God you will be vulnerable to deceit.

  11. Woody McBreairty says:

    I am so sick & tired of these snake oil selling swindlers and their greedy theft from innocent albeit stupid people.  I know people are desperate and think they are “sewing seed money” but they end up worse off than ever. It’s their own fault, but it is also the fault os sinful repulsive chrlatans like this who have the mentality of common thieves & no conscience.

  12. Tony Gilder says:

    You may notice that on television anyway, the message of the prosperity crowd has shifted to “Grace.” Dollar, Prince, Parsley, et.al. get very defensive about it when worshipers accuse them of granting license to sin. With all that is going on in Washington and our PC world, they have run scared to even say the word “sin” insisting instead that grace trumps everything. Creflo even said on a recent broadcast that Christians should just forget the Commandments altogether since they cause nothing but trouble, nobody can keep them, don’t even try, and God doesn’t care anyway since Jesus already died for any and everything sinful man could ever do. SO relax and enjoy. I keep thinking abut what the Bible says about in the End Times there will be false teaches who will tell people what they want to hear. I see this more and more coming to pass. Gay marriages being blessed in churches, worshipers being told that their sins are inconsequential, etc.

    • Zed Cartwright says:

      Tony Gilder- You are 100% right. These clowns take scripture out of context to make it say that Grace is the end of the law of God, when actually it is only the end of the Levitical law, which of course includes tithing. Paul said that Grace did not destroy the law but established it, and the Christian is to fulfill the righteousness of the law, and he gave some of the ten commandments as an example, saying if you do these things you can do no ill will to your neighbor, which is the great commandment of Christ. How can one love his neighbor as himself when he trespasses against his neighbor? Paul called the law that was established after the Old Levitical/Mosaic law was nullified as the Law of Faith. It is also the Law of Righteousness. Paul said that only the spiritual (ones that have fought the battle of the flesh against the Spirit and have overcome/mature Christians) can obey the law of God (law of faith/righteousness). One is not saved by keeping the law or doing any good work. One is saved by faith only. But that faith is proven by one’s actions or obedience to God’s word. So faith without works is dead, even though works do not save. First comes faith that saves followed by good works (observing and implementing/doing righteous laws) that make that faith evident. But these frauds play on people who want to hear that they can continue in depravity as before if they only acknowledge that they believe that Jesus died for their sins. Of course Jesus made it perfectly clear that believing in him was also believing in his commandments (teachings) and if you do not strive to keep his commandments you have no actual faith as your so called faith must be strong enough for you to even give up your life. Not only hearing Jesus but doing his word. So if you can not strive to do your neighbor righteously which is far less a challenge than giving up your life, then you my friend have no genuine faith, but rather a superficial faith that serves your delusional will and not Gods. This warped logic of unbridled liberty in Christ is what such people love to embrace, because it is easy and no requirements on their part to live righteous lives as NT scripture dictates. These frauds also preach the Once Saved Always Saved lie to go along with their lies that sin has been paid for by Christ thus the Christian is free to deliberately and habitually sin without making effort to correct it. Scripture says this makes a mockery of Christ. This OSAS doctrine that includes sin without consequence/liberty to sin under Grace, and it is impossible for a believer to backslide from faith is clearly refuted in II Peter 2:17-22 and elsewhere.

  13. John says:

    Paying Tithes is in the scripture. Either you want to pay or not depends on your personal experience about it or not. As our life is dynamic, religion or Faith has come a long way and it is also dynamic. I will not support exravagant life of Ministers. If Jesus is alive today people will give Him a Jet. Touch not my annointed and do my prophet no harm. Judgment of any Minister is not given to anyone. Every one including ministers/evang or whatever will receive their reward including you judging. If you are not convinced to pay tithe leave it, dont sit around to convince or confuse people or condemned anyone. As there were Levi among the Jews, we have Levi today by faith that God is using. They need money for various ministrations going around the World. Tithes is one form of giving and it is not by force. Malachi 3:8-10 in part says Try me…..if you don’t want to try, leave it alone. Many have tried and they are blessed and also share their testimonies. In spite of all jargons and name calling it does not change anything. The Scriptures remain for ever and God is blessing the Ministry of His words. Let us all get live in Jesus. Time is tickling accept JESUS into your life and stay focus you will not have time for all these confusion and rambling. Thank you.

    • Zed Cartwright says:

      John- You say tithing is in scripture. Well circumcision is also in scripture. You must separate the Old covenant requirements from the New Testament requirements, not say because tithing is in scripture it is therefore in effect today. Now contrary to your statement that tithing was voluntary in Malachi tithing was in fact mandatory. It was a Levitical law that Moses said if any of the Levitical/Mosaic laws were trespassed that the Israelite would suffer a curse and be blessed if they kept the laws. Malachi was warning the Jews including corrupted priest that they had strayed from and divorced their first wife (original Mosaic law)and they had to return to their rightful spouse (original Mosaic law). In the Old Testament for the most part man was spiritually separated from God due to transgression. God did communicate to chosen prophets and some others to shape scripture that was a foundation of the righteousness that would be fulfilled in Christ. God had Moses to set up the Levitical priesthood that originally was to foreshadow the truth to come (Jesus Christ). Along with the ten commandments the ordinances of the Levitical priesthood made up OT Mosaic law. Once the transgression was paid for by Jesus the believer gained access to an avenue to be connected back to God spiritually. Then the Old Covenant passed away wherein blessings of God were primarily material (health, wealth and protection from enemies to the keeper of law). The Levitical priesthood was completely disannulled and changed to the precepts of Christ through faith. No where was tithing transferred from the Levitical priesthood to Christ. Now blessings of God are primarily spiritual and most are recognized after death with eternal life. All this paying tithes and getting promotions or gaining wealth is bunk. Many atheist get promotions and get filthy rich. So what did they do that caused God to bless them materially? Nothing, because that is not the definition of NT blessings. Increasing faith and gifts of the Holy Spirit with eternal life are. The material is short lived and temporary whereas the eternal is forever. So the latter covenant was a far greater one with greater promises/rewards. The question is will people have enough faith to endure sound doctrine even if they may be materially poor and be satisfied/content knowing the end result, or must they demand riches on this earth to prove God is in them in order to elevate their social status (highmindedness)? The latter is not faith in God as defined by Jesus and Paul, but faith in the possessions of this temporary world. The Christian material promise is that your need will be met, not your greed. This does not mean that a Christian can not become wealthy, only that serving God is not the reason one should suppose in their minds that they become wealthy and for them to do what Paul said in I Timothy 6:18 concerning wealth (distributing communicating/sharing their abundance).

  14. Sandile Dlamini says:

    Stop badmouthing pastors and focus on ur owns lives, check ur positions. Hey ! Beware u are going straight to hell, focus on ur relationship with Christ. Don’t spend time Gossiping better spend your time preparing your journey, the days are nearer.if don’t understand what he says, ask the holy spirit, if u still don’t get answer, just stop listening to him and stop misusing ur time because u shall need it on the other side. Those chosen by God, is for God to judge not you, because none of you is worth to do. Don’t draw curses over your lives better focus on Jesus. Gold and Silver belongs to our God, and it is our duty as bretherens to plant a seed and support financially those who preach the word.

    • Zed Cartwright says:

      Sandile- You say stop badmouthing or judging these pastors yet you judge those who judge their deceits saying beware you are going straight to hell. From what I have discerned or judged to be correct is that the teachings of these men are contrary to scripture. I no where judged them to hell as you have judged those who present scriptural proof that their doctrines are heretical. You are a prime example of a man whom is totally ignorant of scripture due to indoctrination by such men. Try reading the NT and learning for yourself. For what you say only demonstrates your scriptural ignorance to the highest degree. You say those chosen by God is for God to judge. But it is evident that someone whom teaches doctrine contrary to the one taught by Jesus, Paul and the other apostles is not chosen by God lest God reveal to them the absolute truth, and that they therein offer it up freely to whomever will accept it. A man chosen of God to preach will be led by God/Holy Spirit to teach the unadulterated truth and nothing more nor anything less. I have never judged these men to hell (they may repent) as you seem to believe you have power to judge others as if you were God. But I only judge their doctrine up against original Christian doctrine. If their doctrine does not cut the mustard up against the word of God, then they certainly are not called of God, and others should be warned of their religious and monetary entrapments.

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