Creflo Dollar: “There’s something wrong with telling people ‘you better tithe or you’re gonna be cursed‘ Boy that’s still what the commandment in the law said. And if you begin to tell people to do things and try to make them feel guilty about it; and try to make them be condemned about it, and try to use their fear to get them to do stuff – That’s Manipulation”
Wow, has this guy changed his tone or what? Watch the video.
Jared
Have you seen my video? It is two hours of debunking tithig lies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4tkMu3Vrz0&feature=PlayList&p=B629166196B770CB&index=0&playnext=1
Russell Earl Kelly is a True Spirit-filled man of God! He most likely is being treated with contempt by those in the Christian Church world we are being exposed of their false teaching on tithing.
I believe Kelly will be remembered as one of the best teachers of the truth who God used to help the Church (discover what the Lord’s Grace is), of our era. My prayers and thanks are with him, his truth has set me free from fear over not paying enough money and thinking God was cursing me for it. I have been more blessed now accepting the free gift of Grace than when trying to earn it by paying ten percent of my gross when out of work! Now I have a good job and everything is looking up because Kelly’s book taught me how to rest in the Cross of Christ & not my Tithe record.
Did Love Him 4 real make a Freudian slip with we are being exposed of false teaching???
Suzie are you a Christian? I assume maybe a tithe promoter? Did you know you used the word Freudian slip? Freud, like Darwin was an atheist who used his Education (and Medical Practice as a Doctor of Psychiatry) to harm the belief in God.
He spread his anti-belief in God and believed Jesus existed only in the imagination, subconsciously created by people trying rid themselves of their Guilt complex.
True4real made a typo this is not a sin, like the sin of lying to enforce a tithe law that no longer exist!
Russ,
i have seen parts of your video. i have not seen all of it. the hard part for me is finding the time to sit down in front of a screen for that time and watch it. Do you happen to have an audio version? i have a cd in my car that is always playing with a bunch of tithing sermons on it. It would be good to have so that way i can listen while i’m driving.
how large of a file is all the videos together? if it is under 5GB i was thinking that we could ask someone if they have a vimeo.com account. You can upload a video that is up to 5GB. This would be great for your video, that way you can watch the whole thing in one video clip, rather than in 20 clips. What are your thoughts?
– jared
The first page of my web site just vefor ethe essay has two choices. (1) a two hour DVD video on Google at http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4387981217836322043 and a (2) 22 part DVD video on You Tube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4tkMu3Vrz0&feature=PlayList&p=B629166196B770CB&index=0&playnext=1.
If you want the DVD, send your address separately with several dollars for postage. You can convert the DVD into a CD.
I pay tithes and God has blessed my finances!
Proud tither,
God has blessed you on your sacrifice, not on your tithe.
– jared
To Proud tither I don’t pay tithes and God has still blessed my finances. He has also blessed Bill Gates, Tom Cruise, Oprah, Donald Trump and other people who do I have never heard them claim to be Bible believing Christians
Oh, how I sit waiting for the next comical remark on this board!
It is so very entertaining, I’ve told all my friends about it. We all viewed it together!
I wish someone would do a study on how many super rich people pay tithes starting with people listed in Fortune 500. It seems to me that most all of the rich Hollywood superstars and other well-known rich people are not making a declaration for Christ or Christianity.
Proud tither did not say Oprah, Donald Trump, etc.. paid tithes just that (he or she) feels this is the reason for the blessing in their own personal finances. Giving as others have made in a similar subject posing is a Universal principle that will come back to you called sowing and reaping.
How is having to pay God tithe money (just like paying a bill due to the Creditors) a good way to have what a healthy personal relationship with Jesus???
If your loved one is demanding a payment for anything that they have given you when it is within their power to give it to you for free then you don’t need a friend like that!
Sowing and reaping is a principle but it is not mandated in that verse that we must sow a certain amount, nor is it a law that it must be done to be blessed by the Lord. The assumption is then that we shall conclude it is talking about voluntary sowing!
I just want to thank Russell E, Kelly for his excellent book. I bought it and learned so much. Don’t ever stop telling the truth Mr. Russell, we need that lone voice crying in the desert! God bless you a thousand times over for your obedience in going against the grain to shine the light of truth to the Church world!
I feel kind of sorry for people who boast in their tithe payments. No one but the Lord deserves to be bragged about since he is the one that gave us a mind to think, strength to get up and go to work, jobs, talents and abilities plus whatever else. Will proud tither be mad or feel let down God if something negative happens to their finances?? If my relationship with God was in my tithing and how much he blessed my finances I would be depressed. I’m a Missionary and have next to nothing. My job comes from serving not paying him money!
No, you do not pay tithes. You may pay over 10% of your income to the church, but that is not a biblical tithe –it is a freewill offering at best unless you are trying to escape a curse.
True biblical tithes were always only food from inside Israel. If you want to pay tithes, you will have to go to Israel and grow your own food and animals. Even then you could not tithe because the OT priests do not exist to tell you that they do not accept tithes from Gentiles.
My son came home from visiting Mt Paran Church of God North in Marietta, Ga and said the sermon was on tithing. He said the preacher challenged anybody to discuss tithing with him. Guess what, we are arranging a meeting. The same thing happened several years ago at another church and the preacher changed to our views. The truth works. Praise God. Thanks for the good words and prayers. Don’t forget Jared and a thousand others like him who are in this fight on the Internet.
I finished reading all of my New Testament verse by verse. The Apostle did not demand the early Church to pay tithes or his salary but he did say that a worker is worthy of their wages. He also accepted financial gifts.
Shame on anyone a who is a Member of a Church then refuses to financially support it with their tithes and offerings.
Will God bless stingy people. God gave us the best gift there is, his one and only Son Jesus.
Even if the teaching on tithing is inaccurate for the Gentile Churches, it is still just as wrong to not support your Church. If your boss did not pay you after you worked hard all month you would be complaining and taking legal action! There are utility bills to pay for the Church & Pastors need to eat and take care of their families too. Other organizations have membership dues, maybe this should be considered for the Church since it is a Business as well as a place to Worship.
I sincerely believe Russell E Kelly and people like Jared are the vessels God is using to expose the Spiritual abuses surrounding the false OT Tithe demand for the Modern Church.
The way it is being taught is very similar to replacement theology in that the free gifts of God are being replaced by the demand that you have to pay God a tithe before he will bless you and rebuke the devour for you. If you don’t pay up they are putting Old Testament curses on you. Can’t they see that this is emotional abuse and an insult to the goodness of Jesus who paid it all for us?