Answers to 60+ Tithing Arguments

  1. = Tithing Argument
    • = The Truth
  1. There is no place in the Bible where it says to give less than a tithe minimum.
    • When you show me in scripture where we can give money for our tithe, then I’ll show you in scripture where we are told to give less than a tithe. (Leviticus 27:30)
    • There is no where it says to give less than 100%. We are stewards. Not Owners. (Matt. 25:14-30)
    • Unless you were a farmer or a herdsman in Israel, you didn’t give a single “cent” of your increase towards tithing.
    • I don’t understand how you can define how we should give by the example of a rich man who didn’t sacrifice a single “cent” from his own established wealth. Abraham only gave a tithe from the spoils of war. (Hebrews 7:4)
    • The poor did not even give tithes; they received them.
  2. Jesus commanded tithing in Matthew 23
    • In the same passage, Jesus clarified that they were still subject to the seat of Moses, and were still under the law (Matthew 23:2, Galatians 4:4)
    • In the same passage, Jesus also command to observe and do what the Pharisees say, so why is only one of Jesus’ commands relevant? (Matthew 23:3)
    • What is commanded under the newer, authoritative law? (1 Corinthians 9:14)
    • If Jesus’ command here was confirming tithing for the Church, then it was also confirming that food was still the only acceptable gift of the tithe. So why do you give money?
    • If 10% tithing is still commanded because of what Jesus said here, then you must obey the the strict guidelines that go with it, because Jesus not only endorsed their tithing but also the pharisees’ meticulousness as well.
    • Jesus also kept the passover as well. (Matthew 26:17)
  3. All scripture is profitable, so how can you ignore the tithing verses in the Old Testament (2 Timothy 3)
    • I believe all scripture is profitable, so I don’t understand how it is right to ignore New Covenant commands of giving? (1 Corinthians 16:2; 2 Corinthians 9:7; Galatians 5:18-25)
    • Is it profitable to. . . ?
      • . . . not let illegitimate children into the House of God (Deuteronomy 23:2)
      • . . . not only own slaves as property but beat them as long as they don’t die. (Exodus 21:20,21)
      • . . . not wear clothes with different kinds of material (Leviticus 19:19)
      • . . . not allow ministers to shave any part of their head. (Leviticus 21:5)
      • . . . not allow anyone who has any kind of physical defect to give offerings. (Leviticus 21:16-23)
      • . . . not allow ministers in the House of God to serve more than 25 years. Ages 25-50. (Numbers 8:24)
      • . . . rebellious children and adulterers shall be put to death (Leviticus 20:9,10)
    • Just because i don’t practice tithing or the laws stated here, does not mean that i am demolishing the validity of the bible. Yes, all scripture is profitable, but that doesn’t pronounce that all the laws in it are enforceable to the Church. (Hebrews 7:18, Gal. 2:19, Romans 6:14, Romans 7:4, Romans 2:25-27, Romans 8:2-5)
    • All scripture is profitable but the men who penned the word of God did not write a script with exactly how the Spirit will guide your decisions in life. Giving is a Spiritual decision, not an automated one.
  4. God never changes (Malachi 3:6)
    • Here’s a list of changes that the Church has unlawfully created for tithing today. None of these changes that we have made are found anywhere in scripture!!
      • You’ve changed When you give the tithe (Deuteronomy 26:12- The tithe was only given at certain times of the year)
      • Who you give it to (Nehemiah 10:38- the tithe could only go towards the Levites the poor, or festivals; not towards buildings or pastors)
      • Where you store it (Nehemiah 10:38 – The tithe could only go into storehouses/silos, not churches). Also, the Israelites only gave a tithe while they were in the promised land. Outside of their land whether in captivity or in the wilderness, they did not tithe.
      • What you give as a tithe (Deuteronomy 14:22- The tithe only consisted of food and animals)
      • How it was used for parties and festivals. (Deuteronomy 14:23)
      • What tithing includes (Leviticus 27:32-33Tithing never contained the first fruits)
      • How the tithe is used (The tithe was never used for building construction or maintenance.)
    • We have changed EVERYTHING about the law of tithing without any authorization to do so. The only thing we haven’t changed is HOW MUCH (Galatians 3:10; Revelation 22:18,19)
  5. Tithing is acknowledging God owns everything
    • Eternal surrender acknowledges that God made me, but i didn’t know that i only had to give 10% of myself. (Matt. 16:25)
    • There are many actions that can acknowledge God’s ownership of everything, but it is not a requirement.
    • Giving 10% doesn’t acknowledge anything to a God who can read the thoughts and intents of the heart.(Hebrews 4:12)
  6. “Tithing was voluntary. There was no punishment mentioned for not tithing” -Larry Burkett.
    • Apparently Malachi 3:9 is not referring to punishment? -“you are cursed with a curse, for you have robbed Me.”
    • Since when does God need to announce a punishment for missing the 10% mark. It’s interesting that the definition of “sin” means: “missing the mark”.
  7. Jesus is the high priest, and is alive today
    • In Genesis through Revelation He is also the lamb of God, but that doesn’t mean we are to offer lambs to him. (1 Peter 1:19)
    • Jesus is also the first fruit, and first born from the dead, but we don’t still offer our first born sons, or first ripe crops(1 Corinthians 15:20)
    • You say this as if we are to obey tithing in commemoration of Jesus’ priesthood, just as we obey the Lords table to commemorate his death.
  8. Paul tithed because the only way to be in the temple was to pay tithes.
    • In Luke 18, a tax collector and Pharisee are compared to one another while both in the temple, so i doubt the tax collector tithed.
    • Paul still circumcised his disciples according to the law, and celebrated the old testament feasts, so i wouldn’t surprise me if he gave a tithe. (Galatians 2:3-5; Acts 18:21)
  9. The tithe belongs in the church storehouse
    • The Old Testament storehouse is a picture of our eternal storehouse. It is not a picture of the Church. Lay up [store] for yourselves treasures in HEAVEN (Matthew 6:20)
    • A storehouse is not the building where the Levites passed around a plate to collect the gifts, The storehouse was the place where the levites deposited and stored the gifts. In other words a church building is where money is collected, not stored. A bank stores money. (Nehemiah 10:37,38)
    • The tithe was not always placed in the temple storehouse (Deut. 14:28)
    • The tithe NEVER contributed to construction or maintenance of the temple. Other types of gifts were used for construction or maintenance.
    • Only 1% of the whole tithe was stored in the temple. The other 9% was stored in the levitical refuge cities.(Joshua 21:8)
  10. Where does the New Testament teach us to stop tithing
    • Should the New Testament re-list all of the hundreds of Old Testament laws and covenants that we do not have to follow?
    • The NT does not teach us to stop all of the other types of offerings Israel gave either.
    • Where does the New Testament teach you that its okay to tithe money?
    • Here are other commands from the Old Testament that the NT does not say anything about
      • Deuteronomy 23:2
      • Deuteronomy 25:5-10
      • Deuteronomy 25:11-12
      • Exodus 21:20,21
      • Leviticus 15:19
      • Leviticus 19:19
      • Leviticus 19:23,24
      • Leviticus 21:1
      • Leviticus 21:5
      • Leviticus 21:16-23
      • Numbers 8:24
  11. Those who tithe are on more stable financial footing than those who do not.
    • I would think that those who are practice financial principles such as planning and budgeting would naturally do better at paying their bills. Even the ones at Church.
  12. Luke 18:12 shows that the Pharisee tithed on “all he possessed” not just agricultural increase.
    • The Pharisee’s prayer was emphasizing what he did above and beyond what other Jews did. (“The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank You that I am not like other men”)
  13. The early Church never talked about tithing because everyone already understood it was the thing to do.
    • There were many other things that were mentioned in the New Covenant that were easier to understand than the tithe.
    • God doesn’t expect us to base his truth on your theories. I could also assume that they didn’t talk about it, because everyone knew NOT to do it.

  15. Tithing is an act of worship
    • Because we are stewards, God expects us to worship him with all of it.
    • I didn’t know worship started with only 10% of our possessions.
    • I agree that giving to God is obedience and worship, but obedience can’t even begin at 10%.
  16. The tithe is a starting point to begin for new and young Christians
    • That sounds good, and can be a good place to begin, but there’s no scriptural support for that command.
    • I’m really unaware of God saying to start with a tithe. If anything i can see how one would interpret the first fruit gift as the “starting point”, considering that its a FIRST fruit.
    • The first gift of Israel’s increase was the first fruit offering. Even the first gift mentioned in the bible is a first fruit, given by Abel.
    • Before the writer of Hebrews spoke about tithing in chapter 7, he explained that he was leaving the elementary principles and the “milk” of the word, in order to focus on the meat of the word, intended for the mature believers. So if anything tithing was mentioned for the more mature believers. (Hebrews 5:13- 6:1)
  17. Tithing is one of the first examples of giving found in the Bible.
    • Cain and Able gave a first fruit offering before Abraham ever gave a tenth to Melchizedek. (Genesis 4:4)
    • God’s example of giving had certainly given Adam more than a tithe.(Genesis 1:29,30)
    • Sacrificing animals also predated the tithe and the Mosaic law, but we do not continue animal sacrifices.
    • Clean and unclean animals were distinguished before the Mosaic law, but the clean/unclean laws do not apply to the Church. The Bible specifies that Noah sacrificed the clean animals, which apparently only came from the abolished Mosaic law hundreds of years later; (Genesis 12:7, Genesis 22:2; Genesis 8:20)
  18. Abraham tithed 430 years before the Law was given to Moses.
    • Abraham’s circumcision and animal sacrifices are just as antiquated as his tithing, but the only thing that we are commanded to follow from Abraham, is his faith. (Galatians 3:5-18; Romans 4:9-22; Hebrews 11:8-10)
    • Abraham still came after the Old Covenant had been announced. (Gen 3)
    • Abraham also gave the other 90% to the king of Sodom, so should we follow this example as well?
    • I don’t understand how you can define how we should give by the example of a rich man who didn’t sacrifice a single “cent” from his own established wealth. Abraham only gave a tithe from the spoils of war. (Hebrews 7:4)
    • If tithing was commanded before the law then Jacob couldn’t have freely offered it (Genesis 28:20)
    • Israel had specific instructions not to tithe until they entered the promised land (Deuteronomy 12:5)
  19. Christ came to fulfill the law, not abolish it.
    • Tithing was in the old covenant and had been replaced by a new covenant. (Hebrews 8:13)
    • Fulfill doesn’t mean continue. If I have a cup and fill it with water, then that cup has fulfilled its purpose. You cannot use that cup up anymore to fill it.
    • When Christ conquered death, he didn’t throw away the punishment for sin, he just fulfilled our obligation to pay it. So I am not diminishing the tithing law. I am saying that we are no longer under the obligation to pay it.
    • Principles that God wants us to obey are found in the lessons, not in the exercises. Stewardship lessons don’t have to be taught by practicing the exercises that Israel or Abraham did.
    • You want Christ to fulfill the tithe’s percentage, but you don’t have Christ fulfill it’s exact purpose, the product it was, the people it went to, the place it was given, or the period it was given.
    • Continuing tithing is not fulfilling the law.(Romans 13:8-10)
  20. Starting with the Garden of Eden, God always set aside a portion for Himself
    • How can 1 tree be a significant portion of the trees?
  21. Tithing is a repetitive”pattern” we find throughout the bible, and where we see God himself set a standard.
    • God himself set so many standards in the Old Testament, so unless you follow every one of the standards that God set up, then the tithing standard should stay in the Old Testament
    • God only needs to say something once for us to follow it, so patterns do not bring any extra validity to what God says.
    • Sacrifices are also mentioned all throughout scriptures but that doesn’t validate it as a practice.
    • The Old Testament contained 43 out of 66 books in the whole bible, so of course we see this pattern over and over.
    • Out of all the tithing examples in scripture, there’s not a single pattern that’s consistent with all of them.
      – Some, such as farmers & herdsmen tithed off their increase, while others such as doctors and carpenters did not tithe from their occupational increase. (Leviticus 27)
      – There were times when giving from increase was under a tenth (Num. 31:9, 27-29), and sometimes it was a tenth (Genesis 14:20, Hebrews 7:4)
      – Israel’s tithe was only allowed from animals or agriculture (Leviticus 27), while Abraham’s tithe was allowed from the spoils of war. (Hebrews 7:4)
      – At one point tithing was voluntary (Genesis 28:22), but at another point it is mandatory (Leviticus 27).
      – What Pattern? What Standard? Repetative? There’s no repetative pattern, and there’s no consistent standard.
  22. Would you like to receive God’s gross blessings or His net blessing?
    • Why not receive the firstfruits of his blessings by giving through the firstfruits of his Spirit, with Spirit-led giving?(1 Corinthians 15:20-24)
  23. Much of the tithe does go to run the church, but that doesn’t mean that it’s not helping people.
    • Neither the storehouse, temple, nor the tabernacle were not constructed or maintained by tithes.
  24. Since you don’t believe in tithing, how much have you given?
    • It’s hypocritical to hold dear to the law of tithing but allow myself an opportunity to boast in my giving. (Matthew 6:3)
    • The Mormon cult gives more money than any denomination or religion, but that doesn’t prove their righteousness.(stats here)
    • Greed is not biased to those who practice grace giving. May I remind you that Israel fell to the cloak of greed while under the tithing law anyway’s.
    • The steward in Matthew 25 who gave 100% of his 2 talents back to his master was still considered a bad steward.
    • It was only the Pharisees who were interested in shortcomings of others while expressing how they elegantly obeyed the OT requirements.
    • Is it common for you to find your scriptural truth based on the performance of mankind?
  25. Money did not exist back then
    • In the book of Job (the oldest book in the bible) Job’s friends gave him pieces of silver. (Job 42:11)
    • Abraham bought a field with 400 shekels of silver (Genesis 23:15)
    • Abram was very rich in livestock, in silver, and in gold (Genesis 13:2)
    • Joseph put money into the sacks of grain that his brothers took back to their home (Genesis 44:8)
    • The Israelites were ordered to take gold and silver from the Egyptians (Exodus 25:3)
    • David spoke of gold and silver coins (Psalm 119:72)
    • Jacob purchased land with silver (Gen. 33:19)
    • Joseph was sold into slavery for twenty shekels of silver (Gen. 37:28)
    • Judas was paid off with silver coins to betray Jesus (Matt. 26:14-15)
    • The chief priests paid soldiers money to lie about Christ’s body (Matt. 28:12-13)
    • Other passages indicate that actual coin money was used to pay taxes, even by Jesus himself (Matt. 17:24-27)
    • Money was to be used in redemption of people and animals (Numbers 3:46-50)
    • These passages mention “wages” (Genesis 29:15, 30:28, 31:7-8, 31:41; Exodus 2:9; Leviticus 19:13; Jeremiah 22:13; Ezekiel 29:18-19; Haggai 1:6; Malachi 3:5)
  26. Doesn’t what you say now give us an excuse for not giving?
    • No, you should obey the commands and examples of New Testament giving.
      • 1 Corinthians 9:14
      • 1 Corinthians 16:1-2 compared with Deuteronomy 16:10
      • 2 Corinthians 8:13-15
      • 2 Corinthians 9:6-13
      • Galatians 2:14
      • Galatians 5:16-25
      • Matthew 10:8-10
      • Matthew 17:25-26 compared with Galatians 4:7
    • Spirit-led giving is more challenging and sacrificial than any other type of giving found in the bible.
  27. Spirit Led giving is very well in theory, but in practice people do not listen.
    • Israel didn’t listen to the law either, so what makes you think the Church has a better chance to listen to it instead of the Holy Spirit?
    • If we encourage people to walk in the Spirit, can’t the Holy Spirit teach us to give properly? (Romans 8:1-17; Galatians 5:13-26)
    • Last time I checked statistics, only 8% of the church population were obeying and listening to the tithe law anyway.
    • Being guided by the Spirit doesn’t mean roll the dice. It means finding answers for our next step by having constant communication with God.
  28. The tithing Law is often a good starting point and tutor, to bring us to Christ (Galatians 3:24).
    • You aren’t even teaching the complete tithing law, so how are you bringing people closer to Christ?
    • We are no longer under that tutor (Galatians 3:17, Gal. 5:16-18)
  29. Why has God blessed me while I have tithed, and withheld from me when I haven’t?
    • God blesses those who practice the principles of faith, stewardship, and sacrifice. That’s why a spirit led giver and a tither can both experience blessings in return for their faithful giving.
  30. The tithe belongs to the Lord
    • Really? Is that all? Just 10%? If you mandate tithing because 10% belongs to him, then you are already 90% in debt.(Psalms 24:1, 1 Corinthians 10:26)
    • If you lent me $100 and i gave you $10 back, how would that represent that you own the other 90%.
  31. Every New Testament example goes beyond the tithe
    • You are mainly thinking about 1 or 2 passages in the new testament, where the people sold all that they had. Other than that, i still don’t see any mention of anyone giving a percentage of their income away.
    • God never asked Israel to give less than what he’s asked the Church to give.
  32. Christ never lowered the bar, he always raised it
    • God does not change his standards or raise His bar. In the Old Testament God wanted Israel to be 100% stewards of what he’s given them, and he still wants us to be 100% stewards. (Malachi 3:6)
  33. Tithing is an antidote against covetousness.
    • Well the tithing Pharisees sure proves that (Luke 16:14)
  34. God did rescind the legalism that obligated the tithe, but He never rescinded the blessing and protection that is promised to the person who tithes.
    • Specific times, specific places, and specific possessions were all obligations of tithing. If Israel did not meet all these requirements, then there was NO blessing. So, why would God change his mind for you? I know you do not meet these requirements in tithing, therefore, you are not receiving blessings from obeying it. Instead you are being blessed by your generosity and faith.
    • The curse for not tithing was declared in the Mosaic law, so how can free people under grace be subject to Moses’ ramifications?
  35. Christian giving should exceed the Israelites since Christians were given grace
  36. 1 Corinthians 16 states that our giving should be proportionate
  37. Paul did not say set something aside as he feels led. He said to“save to the extent that we prosper”, how would that make any sense if there was not a proportional giving system in place? – 1 Corinthians 16:2
    • I find it interesting that he says set SOMETHING aside, and doesn’t define that something as 10%.
    • Paul’s statement gives room for us to pursue the answers from the Holy Spirit in regards to the extent of our giving.
  38. Tithing predated the Mosaic law
    • It predated Moses, but it did not predate the law.
      Gal 4:4-5
      But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
      “to redeem them that were under the law” – was this only referring to people starting from Moses, or did Adam need redemption from the law as well? Of course Adam needed redemption from the law just as much as Moses needed redemption from the law, just as much as Abraham needed redemption from the law. Remember the law itself was not new when God gave it to Israel and Moses. God’s plan for redemption from the law started in Genesis 3, not with Moses.
    • Other verses that support this
      Galatians 3:19
      What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made;
      That promise was made in Genesis 3. Transgressions and the law began in Genesis 3
    • Tithing was still under the Old Covenant (Hebrews 8:13)
  39. The tithe teaches the fear of the Lord
    • Deuteronomy 6
      Now this is the commandment, and these are the statutes and judgments which the Lord your God has commanded to teach you, that you may observe them in the land which you are crossing over to possess, that you may fear the Lord your God
      Well that’s interesting, ALL the old testament commandments taught the fear of the Lord. If you want to prove tithing with the fear of the Lord, then apply your statement to obey all the laws in the Old Covenant. I doubt you will obey all the Old Testament commands just because of that will you? (unless of course you think we only listen to “some” of what God said we should do and not others)
    • Deuteronomy 14:22-23 states, “Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. ”
      Most people misinterpret this passage. It is not tithing that teaches the fear of the Lord. If you read carefully, it is the festival and the celebration that teaches the fear of the Lord.
  40. Tithing –
    -It teaches the fear of the Lord
    -It teaches Stewardship
    -It reflects that all belongs to God
    -It teaches us that our increase comes from God
    -It trains us to have a good heart
    -It tells us exactly what we should give
    -It provides for the poor, the widow, & the minister
    -It tells us when to give, where to give, and how to give

    • There’s NOT ONE thing that Spirit-led offerings cannot out-perform on that list. Must i go through an outline of what the Spirit teaches that tithing does not?
  41. God said to give Him the first and best
    • Leviticus 27:32 states specifically regarding the tithe to not measure whether your tithe was good or bad.
    • 2 Timothy 2:6 states, ‘The hardworking farmer must be first to partake of the crops.’
  42. Show me Scripture that says we’re not obligated to tithe.
    • I’ll be glad to show you scripture that we’re not under the tithing law if you show me scripture where money can be used to tithe with.
    • Matthew 17:26, Galatians 5:18
    • There isn’t a verse that directly says that we do not have to tithe. There are verses that allow us to be under grace, and be led by the Spirit. (Galatians 5:18, Romans 6:14)
  43. I know the tithing command is not repeated for New Covenant believers, but why must every principal in the Old Testament be re numerated in the New Testament in order to validate it?
    • I agree that every “law” does not have to be re-numerated in the NT in order to validate it, but how would you excuse changing the law of tithing without any New Covenant to do so either?
  44. How can we distinguish between what Old Testament commands roll over into the New Testament and what does not?
    • First, let’s find out why some of the laws of tithing have rolled over into the NT and why some have not.
      – Food was only to be given as a tithe(Leviticus 27:30)
      – The tithe was given to the Levitical tribe because they did not have a land inheritance (Numbers 18:21)
      – The tithe was NOT part of first fruits.(Leviticus 27:33, compare with Numbers 18:12-13)
      – The tithe was only given certain times of the year(Deut. 14:28, Deut 26:12, Nehemiah 13:31)
      – At least 1/3 of the tithe was used on themselves for a feast (Deut. 14:22-27)
      – The tithes were not used to maintain or build any religious structures
  45. Just as the sabbath is still binding, so is tithing.
    • What other Old Testament laws have you attached to the binding Sabbath clause?
  46. 2 Corinthians 9 isn’t meant to revoke the tithe, but speak to the spirit of tithing.
    • Interesting that tithing isn’t mentioned either way.
    • What exactly is the spirit of tithing anyway?
  47. “Because tithing was so deeply embedded in the Jewish consciousness, the Jewish Christians naturally gave their tithes” -Randy Alcorn
    • This is based on assumptions that cannot be supported with any scripture whatsoever. We’ve looked at Jewish culture and gave a humanistic reasoning for God’s laws, which essentially is putting words in His mouth.
    • I can use the same logic and say that it wasn’t mentioned because everyone knew that they were not suppose to give tithes.
  48. Tithing is giving in a systematic manner rather than an emotional or spasmodic giving.
    • I was unaware that emotions should not be a part of worship to God.
    • If we can just figure God out, and exactly what he needs, then who would actually feel the need to pursue a relationship with him. We can just consult the law and be done with it.
    • Systematic giving is the definition of being religious, not Godly or spiritual.
  49. If the coming of Jesus did away with tithing, why didn’t Jesus say so.
    • Sometimes i wish God just said a lot of things straight up. Don’t forget, that the word didn’t stop after the book of John. If Jesus needed to say all that he needed before he died, why did he give us the rest of the NT?
  50. The NT shifts the focus from giving an exact amount to the condition of your heart.
    • That’s news to me. I didn’t know that God changes his focus.
  51. The tithe is holy to the Lord – Leviticus 27:30
    • 2 Corinthians 3:10
      For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels.
    • Here are other holy items in the bible
      – 1st and 7th day of Passover Exodus 12:16
      – Sabbath Exodus 16:23
      – Areas of the tabernacle Exodus 26:33
      – Garments for Aaron and sons Exodus 28:2
      – Sacrificed ram and shewbread Exodus 29:33
      – The altar (and anything that touches it) Exodus 29:37
      – Anointing oil and anything anointed with it Exodus 30:25
      – Incense Exodus 30:35,36
  52. If we don’t tithe, how is the Church going to be supported?
    • You rely too much on your humanity. What makes you think that God is restricted to the law of tithing to support his church and ministry? Did he not give us his Spirit and its gifts to help us with giving? (Matthew 10:8-10)
    • Look at how Israel supported local ministry in the Old Testament before they started the tithe (Exodus 35)
    • Look at how Jesus ministry was supported on earth (Luke 8:1-3)
    • Look at how Jesus sent his disciples (Matthew 10:8-10)
  53. Tithing in Malachi is the only place in the bible where God Tells us to prove and test Him.
    • Uniqueness still doesn’t make the tithe universally binding.
    • God’s tithing challenge was for Israel under the Mosaic law. They were not for Adam, Abraham, or even the Church.
    • Gideon even tested God three times! (Judges 6)
    • You act as if tithing is our one and only chance to to prove that God actually keeps his promises. The ability to prove God’s promises is not exclusive to tithing.
  54. You are under a curse if you do not tithe (Malachi 3:8-10)
    • The only curse that God mentioned for not tithing was mentioned during the giving of the law. (Deuteronomy 27:26)
    • Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law (Galatians 3:13)
  55. Grace givers do not give as much as tithers
    • The pharisees outdid everyone as well, but that obviously didn’t confirm their doctrine.
    • I could also predict that tithers do not give as cheerful or willingly as Spirit-led givers.
    • The steward in Matthew 25 who gave 100% of his 2 talents back to his master was still considered a bad steward.
    • It was only the Pharisees who were interested in shortcomings of others while expressing how they elegantly obeyed the OT requirements.
    • Is it common for you to base scriptural truth on the performance of mankind?
    • The end results do not justify the means. (Romans 3:8)
    • Anybody can use grace giving as an excuse to give less as much as anyone can use tithing as a way out to give less than they are capable.
  56. Abraham COMMENCED it – Gen 14:18-20
    Jacob CONTINUED it – Gen 28:20-22
    Moses CONFIRMED it – Lev 27:30
    Malachi COMMANDED it – Mal 3:8-10
    Jesus COMMENDED it – Matt 23:23
    God COMMISSIONED it – 1 Cor 9:13-14
    Paul CONFORMED it – 1 Cor 16:2

    • That’s an impressive, long list of qualified names, but the real game changer was the Holy Spirit since He was sent to CONTROL and CONVICT how we should give.
  57. The only examples you see of Spirit Led giving in the New Testament have to do with foreign missions. Tithing is for the local Church.
    • Are you aware of how Israel gave at the times when they were not under the tithing law? (Exodus 35)
    • Are you aware how Jesus ministry on earth was supported? (Luke 8:1-3)
    • Does scripture show that Spirit-led giving was prohibited from giving locally?
    • Maybe the reason why you don’t see local spirit-led giving in the new testament is because they weren’t so focused on their own needs. Kind of makes sense: spirit-led / self-less giving.
    • I never read the part where God established foreign and local divisions of his Body.
    • Actually, the ONLY examples of giving in the New Covenant are Spirit led, so i can’t see where you find examples of tithing at all, let alone to a local Church.
  58. We need to provide a double portion to our pastors
    • Scripture only states double “honor”, and does not specifically mention pastors, in that passage (1 Timothy 5:17)
  59. How do you know what the Spirit of God has prompted you to give? I’m not that spiritual. I need help, and guidelines
    • You have expressed a legitimate question about figuring how much to give with freewill offerings, but once you hit the 10% mark, don’t you face the same question anyway’s once you have to start figuring out your offerings above the tithe?
    • How come your offerings don’t come with a guideline?
  60. How will the Church survive without tithing?
    • It is surviving just fine. Statistics say that only 8% of people claiming to be born again claim to tithe anyways.
    • The levitical system survived 40 years in the wilderness without the tithing command.
    • The early Church exploded without a sign of a tithe collected or commanded.
  61. How could so many other Godly people be so wrong for so long?
    • There are hundreds of denominations that all have a distinguished set of differences, which means that the majority of the Church is wrong about some of their practices.
    • If history has taught us anything, it’s that we can’t rely on precedence to determine how we should operate.
  62. Even Pagan cultures tithed to their god’s in Abraham’s time.
    • Since they also offered animal sacrifices should we contine to give burnt offerings?
  63. Circumcion, clean animals, sacrifices, and the Sabbath were all practiced prior to the Mosaic law, but were revocated in the NT. Tithing was also found prior to the Mosaci law, but was not revocated.
    • Circumcision, clean animals, sacrifices, and the sabbath were all instituted by God prior to the Mosaic law. The tithe was neither instituted, nor instructed, nor even asked by God until the Mosaic law. God’s first command, asking, instruction, encouragement (anyway you want to see it) to tithe was not made until Leviticus 27:30. The verses below, are direct actions or quotes of God instituting clean animals, sacrifices, sabbath and circumcision. There are none by God instituting the tithe.
      • Clean animals (Genesis 7:2-8)
      • Sacrifices (Genesis 35:1, Genesis 22:2-13)
      • Sabbath (Genesis 2:3)
      • Circumcision (Genesis 17:10-14)
48 comments on “Answers to 60+ Tithing Arguments
  1. Michelle says:

    WOW! Wow,,Thank You for presenting God.s word in truth. I have struggled for years believing in the %10 rule(grew up Babtist) LOL,,,,,,but would punished myself or my husband for not tithing,I was in bondage to a rule or concept of man,,,like most fans of Jesus,,,but I decided I didnt want to be a fan ,,I want to be in-Love with Jesus and follow him being led by the Holy Spirit! GOD led me to this site,to set me free,once agian,praise God! While I was budgeting bills for 4 hours and not acomplishing nothing,,,i punched tithing and there you were as I began,I began weep and repenting,,I desire to give,,I am a giver,I do choose love people forgive and humble my heart to be forgiven,,but now I see so clear,,I see what I can not describe with now,and yes Im still weeping,,thank you agian,,,God Bless you,,,double honor to you! MICHELLE

  2. Felix Madilo says:

    That is a great out put my brother. You have made my knowledge very deep in tithing. l think my church will be blessed greatly. May God Almighty give you more wisdom to do greatly in other areas of teaching the truths contained in the BIBLE. Amen!

  3. Lebo says:

    Thank You so much for broadning my knowledge about tithing,this is what i have been looking for.May God bless You

  4. John says:

    I’ve always known that the LAW of tithing was bondage. Thanks to you, now I am able to prove it.

  5. brett says:

    I am glad to see that others are getting hold of the truth about tithing. May I mention that blessings were conditional to the tithe under the old testement, however, in Eph 1-3 we are already blessed…..has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places.”Mal 3 mentions that people are cursed if they “rob God”under law, but Gal 3-13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law. Also in 1 Cor 9-9-19 Paul makes mention of how he does not abuse his authority in collecting support from believers, so that he is “……free from all men.” Paul also made a personal decision not to charge people for hearing the good news “…. I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel”. Just some thoughts.

  6. Juma Samuel says:

    Thanks a lot for the wonderful teachings that i have never got since then opening to this great thoughts of yours. may the unseen God bless u abundantly.

  7. mitch reich says:

    Great work, just to add, if you read the book of Malachi, the theme speaks of leaders who are not doing what they have been instructed to do. It is an harsh word to the leaders of the day, not followers. I find it particularly strange that N.T. CHURCHES wander back to the past and try to place their followers under the law. furthermore” the windows of heaven” were flung open if we accept what Jesus has done on the cross.

  8. Rev Wardell says:

    This lesson taught things i have always felt was taught in eror but followed denominational precepts. This teaching has allowed most of the body of CHRIST to be the means to have transgressed the writen word and be financial gain for the prosperity pimps. That was a good reference to Malicah for most people have never read the entire book,therefore the guilt complex keeps chains on their feet and mind.

  9. Hans van den Berg says:

    Glad to have found this website. It helped me to discover that tithing is a good thing! :-)
    You probably wanted to “proove” otherwise, but I saw you cited bibleverses sometimes that were not at all related to the questions and objections.

    And yes, I know, it is not a law, it is a blessing to be able to tithe.


    • Cee says:

      Incorrigible Ignorance…such a shame. Be humble and the Holy Spirit will open your heart and mind to understand what is so simple regarding tbis false forced NT doctrine, or you can contain to wallow in your delusion and deceit. My heart aches for you Hans

  10. Mark says:

    Concerning Tithing I would like to make a few points for our consideration.

    1. The LAWFUL Tithe is 10% (I think everyone can find these scriptures so I will not record them here.

    2. LAW & Grace = Romans 8:3

    3. Grace is an act of LOVE = John 14:31

    4. We worship in Spirit and truth! = John 4:24

    5. Give as each has purposed in his own heart = 2 Corinthians 9:7

    My comments will involve these verses. There are others verses that support them.


    1. God does not change therefore God’s LAWS do not change. If they did then the definition of sin would also change. There is a LAW of Tithing that is eternal as the Character of God.

    2. The OT people obeyed God’s LAW’s through willful (corporal) obedience.

    3. That willful (corporal) obedience can be done without any true love. (1 Corinthians 13)

    4. Jesus did not remove the LAW (Matthew 5:17) but rather replaced the response to the LAW – affirming it. Jesus’ replacement response to the LAW was an act of Grace. LOVING OBEDIENCE and not CORPORAL OBEDIENCE.

    5. In other words Jesus did not do the will of God because He had to. NO! Jesus did the WILL OF GOD because He loved God.

    6. Concerning John 4:24 tells us not to fake the act of LOVING TITHING with CORPORAL TITHING. In like manner Jesus gave His Life for us as an act of Loving obedience to God.


    You tithe according to your truest heart’s desire knowing that God’s desire is 10%. You will – or will not do God’s will for true loving reasons or the lack there of. If any Tithe (regardless of how much) is given without a true loving motivation to and for God then it just does not matter (1 Corinthians 13 – Matthew 23:23). If you give less than 10% knowing what God’s desires is (in regards to your loving obedience) 10% then you carry that burden alone before the God you say publically, you love.

    See: Luke 13:3

    2 Corinthians 9:7 does not remove the 10% tithe in the NT just as just Exodus 15:2 did not remove the 10% tithe on the OT.

    God wants our LOVING OBEDIENCE and not one compelled by LAWFULL CORPORAL OBEDIENCE.

    In other words… We should be “way – way pasted” being told what to do in regards to our lovong actions to God and one another.

    Romans 6 & 7 (Dead to the Law) Does not mean that the LAW itself has been removed from mankind. It means our responce to the LAW is mute in that our LOVING actions are not motivated by the lAW but by Love above and beyond the LAW.

    The basic underlying LAW’s are the same (other than Sacrifice which Jesus was the last) yesterday, today, and tomorrow. What has changed is our responce to God in light of His LAW (HIS WILL).

    We LOVE HIM!!! Amen.

    • Mark,
      I wanted to take the time to reply to all your points you had made to defend the practice of tithing in the New Testament Church. Unfortunately, i spent so much time destroying point #1, that i did not get to the rest of your points. I made a whole blog post dedicated solely to only your first point. You can read it here –

      – jared

    • T says:

      Jesus fulfilled the law. He satisfied the law or filled to the full. Marriage fulfills the law of engagement. why would you go back to engagement rules and not marriage rules since marriage requires more responsibility? we are co-heirs with Christ. if your life is 1005 His then what ever you give is accepted if given in faith cheerfully. Spirit led giving require faith. 10% tithe requires following a rule

    • Guest says:

      Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes.

      We now have the New Covenant and are led by the Holy Spirit.
      If we are still under the Old Covenant how many do laws in Leviticus do the Grace robbers keep? Why aren’t we stoning folks to death for breaking the Saturday SABBATH?


  11. Nigel Buck says:

    Well done.Like so many others great courage.One day may God attest to it in their own framework of reference with true signs and wonders that this is the true grace of God.

  12. Nigel Buck says:

    I have been persuaded for some time that the practise is theft

  13. Mark says:

    Jesus did fulfill the Law in regards to sacrifice. Jesus did not (remove, replace, destroy, or negate) the Law. Jesus just fulfilled the law. The Law still exists today. The Law is still there and for that reason the sin that the Law was made to expose. If the Law was no more than the ability to sin would be as well. This is why it still says in James 2:10 “For whosoever shall keep the whole Law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

    Jesus fulfilling the law has never meant that the law was null and void. To say that Jesus fulfilled the law and thereby nullifying the law would be like saying that because Jesus Love the God unto death that there is no further need to Love God because Jesus satisfied that requirement.

    Jesus death and resurrection passes something onto all those that except it (Rom 10:9-10) that replacing corporal obedience to the law. We now do the law under the same authority that Jesus taught us. See: John 14:31.

    Now we are dead to the law because it has no authority to force us. Our new motivation is no longer the pain of death – but rather the love of God. However, the underlying standards that the law represents and that still today expose sin as standards are still all the same.

    As a matter of fact we (out of love) do 100%. This is what is meant by dead to the law… Because it you are doing 100% then 10% has no authority over you.

    A few examples: The OT law requires pray 4 times a day. NOW we pray (keeping the 4 Pray requirements within the law) without ceasing. The OT law required 10% tithe. NOW we give everything (keeping the 10% tithe requirements within the law) that we are to God.

    There is one minor change that is often miss-understood but really means the same thing as the two examples above. OT sacrifice was in proportion to sin. Jesus died for our sins yes – however that does not remove the law of sacrifice. NO! It is still there for all time. Jesus did satisfy it for all time as well but did not remove it. Consider the following:

    If you are not born-again then you cannot claim the death and resurrection of Jesus. Then you are guilty of un-forgiven sins that the LAW will hold you too. The law is very much alive today in all respects.

    Keeping the Law through Old Testament sacrificial practices has ended yes. That does not remove the law but just our response to it. We keep the Law today not being compelled by the pain of sin (exposes by the law) but rather for the love of God and one-another. (John 14:13 again) The mind of Christ – YES!

    So how do we keep the law today (YES – the whole law as James 2:10 implies!)/ We keep it as a living sacrifice as Romans Charter 12 expounds upon so well. Not motivated by the pain of sin-exposed but rather for the love of God and one-another as like-minded believers who are of one-accord.

    Final points:

    1. Any lawfully (under the pain of sin) motivated requirement to tithe is extortion for a born-again believer. How do you know who is a born again believer. By their fruits which includes their loving response to the whole law.

    2. The law of tithing as understood under the pain of sin only makes sense to the unsaved and it is a pain that causes anguish and gnashing of teeth.

    3. We are talking about tithing from the pew point of view here but it needs to be said that the miss-understood and miss-use of tithing from the pulpit is just as bad and has contributed to a negative spirit towards tithing.

    4. There is a very good article available on the web that I think all should read.

    5. Most churches go into debt and then need tithing to support that debt which is wrong. And then go way-way overboard in evangelism trying to compensate for their sinful actions. In other words their motivations are more money driven than (spirit and truth) driven) – In a matter of degrees here and there of course.

    6. Tithing is by the believers for the believers and those invited guests.
    In other word tithing represents a co-operative of like-minded believers.

    7. Tithing’s is something that is shared by those that are like-minded and of one accord as spoken throughout the NT and in specific Act 15 and Philippians 2:1-18.

    8. One of the ways I can tell who is like-minded and of one accord is by looking at the tithe just as Peter did in Acts Chapter 5.

    9. 10% is not a dollar value but a percentage of wealth or income only so equality is a matter of degrees by and for those that are like-minded and of one accord in Spirit and truth as Jesus requires. All others are just that – ALL OTHERS!

    • Pamela Cornah says:

      Lazy and ill informed people make the church the manager of their tithing. You are instructed to manage your own tithing.
      You are only told to remember the levite along the way. All Tithing was used to feed the poor and helpless.
      “Bring ye ALL the tithes into the storehouse that there may be meat=food in mine house.. Have you ever seen a church with a store house full of food instead of a bank account? Where you haven’t had to fill in forms and apply for a loaf of bread from a committee for a poor widow. If you know such a one join it now for there you will find the Holy Spirit in action.

    • SHANNON says:

      as a converted former orthadox jew to messianic jew let me say u MAN have no clue ! when messiah died for sins he fulfilled the law by becoming the TITHE n FIRSTFRUITS n SANCTIFIED GIFT FOR US TO YHWH therefore we r no longer under the law of prophet MOSES BUT the LAW OF GRACE n yes u should give but only as a gift or as u say a offering (in your heart) then u r blessed under grace BUT if u give as a TITHE (in your heart)then you place urself under judgement n must UPHOLD ALL the law not part. Also a tithe cannot b money according to torah in tanakh it is only food/ money would defile the tithe !YHWH knows the heart n whats in it/dont call it a tithe its not its a gift!pleasE brother pray that the HOLYSPIRIT (KADESH RUAH)OPENS YOUR HEART TO THIS TRUTH.! IN YESHUAH”s service SHOLOM!!!

  14. Cofthek says:

    It never ceases to amaze me how proponents of the tithe do so on Sunday. They’ll argue that we shouldn’t lie, kill, or steal, but it’s ok to change the day of the sabbath?
    We have to honor mosaic law by tithing, but only 9 of the 10 commandnents written by God own finger are valid?

    It’s like there is a buffet of Bible beliefs and you get to choose which ones you like the taste of to put on your plate.

    • Pamela Cornah says:

      You are so right. If that law is correctly read the Levite / Church is not on the must list to receive all the tithing He only gets a share with the rest of the poor who should be invited to your home for a feast so that God will bless you in all the work of your hands.By doing this others will see your blessings and be encouraged to do the same. Your freewill offerings should be hidden from the world that is between you and your Lord.

  15. Pamela Cornah says:

    You do err not knowing the scriptures !!
    The law can never be done away with. You would have to do away with God to do so. He is law. Only the curse of the law was taken away by The death of our Lord Jesus not the law. The curse of the law is the”eternal death penalty” removed at the Cross Sin is the transgression of the Law. We will always be sinners We are saved by Grace to keep the law. So pay your Tithing the full Ten percent. You don’t have to be happy about it God does not care He only notes if you did it. just obey! Dont rob God or the poor it is Your Christian Duty to pay your dues. You wont be blessed for that but the “Meat or food it supplies will be blessed so that you wont have room to store it. He says you can Test Him in that. Then comes you freewill offering because your heart was moved with compassion for another Now that He is well pleased with. There is no reward for doing your duty. Obedience is better than sacrifice
    The Only Laws that were replaced not removed were the blood sacrifices replaced with the Blood of The Lord Jesus.

    • Pamela,
      Who said the law should be done away with? I believe Jesus said the law was fulfilled.

      – jared

      • Pamela Cornah says:

        You believe incorrectly Sir.
        Heaven and earth are still here and “all” is only fulfilled with the triumphant return of our Savior.
        Saved by His blood to keep every word of the law. Now instead of death retribution. In this case demotion to the least. Each law carries its own reward or punishment. Some build with hay and straw and stubble and others with Gold and…….. I say Go for Gold and keep the law it is a delight to find the benefits thereof even the payback is rewarding in the school of life under Him.

        • Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

          For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

          Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

          Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

          • Pamela Cornah says:

            The Question: “What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?……
            The Answer: …..but if thou wilt enter into life,Keep the law. The Lord then commences to Quote him the Law of Moses “AND” MEANING (AS WELL AS) And thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. An added instruction which you will find in the instructions of Moses. As Jesus Is “The Lord God of the old Testement He always refers you back to your commitment to keep the commandments. The Law is the foundation for the New Testament and without it the the house of the lord Jesus cannot stand. It is your A B C and your times table and your schoolmaster to the understanding of the New testament. Dont let Churchianity rob you of your Christianity with endless repeated rhetoric. There comes a time to leave baby school and look for yourselves God is tired of kicking demanding never listening children. Dont let the Old testament daunt you it takes you and the Holy Spirit to Get the beginning right then the last walk right. You may be surprised at how much Garbage you thought was truth you actually need to throw out.
            All this said in love It is the truth that sets us free.

      • SHANNON says:

        amen messiah fulfilled the law we could not becouse of him we r no longer sinners but righteous in YHWH’S EYES BY LOOKING AT THE RIGHTEOUS OF YESHUAH”S SACRAFICE ON OUR BEHALF HALLELUYAH AS CHRIST SAID GO N SIN NO MORE sholom

    • Guest says:

      Romans 10:4 Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for everyone who believes.

      Read Leviticus and tell us how many laws are we Gentiles taught to keep and why aren’t folks stoned to death to date. You are the one who is in error and need to understand your New Covenant of Grace and how the Holy Spirit is now our guide and keeper not the written code of outward eternal laws. Wake up!

    • vooke says:

      “The Only Laws that were replaced not removed were the blood sacrifices replaced with the Blood of The Lord Jesus.”

      Leviticus 15: 19-24
      19 ‘If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood, she shall be set apart seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. 20 Everything that she lies on during her impurity shall be unclean; also everything that she sits on shall be unclean. 21 Whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 22 And whoever touches anything that she sat on shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. 23 If anything is on her bed or on anything on which she sits, when he touches it, he shall be unclean until evening. 24 And if any man lies with her at all, so that her impurity is on him, he shall be unclean seven days; and every bed on which he lies shall be unclean.

      Do you still observe this?
      PS: I don’t mean to be disrespectful

    • Truly says:

      Pamela, you are so right. The confusion that so many people have is that it has been for so long preached that the law has been abolished and no longer valid, and most people have believed this lie or this poor understanding of who and how God is. What a lie and and a what a stepping stone! FULFILLING IS NOT THE EQUIVALENT OF ABOLISHING. Until christians understand the fundamental difference between fulfilling and abolishing, they will continue to be confused.
      All of us that have experienced tithing and not doing it, have realized how big a difference it makes in our lives. It is because the laws of good never change, tithing blesses and it always will. The law is good and it will be there forever and ever.

      We are just not condemned any more to eternal death because we are not able to keep the law, because of our sin, our weakness. That does not mean we shouldn’t to try to walk in righteousness, because keeping the commandments is the path to holiness. Saying that we don’t have to keep the law (tithing, keeping the sabbath..) is the equivalent as saying that it is ok to lie, to kill or to be adulterous…the sabbath commandment is in the same category of commandments as the prohibition to murder or lie. For some strange reason we choose to believe doctrines of man instead of what clearly God says in his word.
      The only thing that we need to make sure of is that we are aware that it is not what we do that saves us, but Jesus and his sacrifice, who paid it all for us. We cannot be saved by keeping the law, because we will always fail. He did what we were not able to do. He fulfilled that law man was never able to and will never be able to fulfill. Jesus did that for us, he kept the law and was perfect, and sacrificed himself so that we can be saved.

      He knew we would have this confusion, so he clearly said that “he did NOT COME TO ABOLISH the law”, how can people not understand this. There is no other interpretation possible here. Hope more people get to understand this, because if you don’t, the Bible would have too many incoherences, and that just can’t be. God Bless you.

  16. Pamela Cornah says:

    Dear Jared,
    Just an added comment on you choice of scripture.
    What you owe man is an entirely different to what you owe God.
    Love does fulfill the law and you will be saved just because you believe in the Lord Jesus.
    And you will be severely punished for breaking the law in this life and in the next one and you will pay to the last farthing says the Lord. It will affect your position in the next life. There are many mansions or positions in my Fathers house
    And many of them that Sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

  17. Larry says:

    Beware the trap of the generous giving heresy. You are right on tithing but you keep referencing this idea that everything we have belongs to God. Preachers are already using that distortion to scam people put of ever higher percentages of their income. The stop gap found in scripture says, not under compulsion, and give of what you have. In other words as stewards we alone will answer to God for how much we gave and when. Also you have to understand how deeply the whole system of evangelical christ with has come to depend upon the tithe or some sense of obligation for us to support a neo pagan form of Christianity. The early church did not have a CEO pastor endlessly teaching of flock of people who never came to maturity. Paul expressly and in many places says all Christians are ministers, all have gifts to share in the meeting, all have callings, and all should grow up into Christ. At a minimum this means a life of prayerful discipleship, personal Bible study, and faith working through love.

  18. Pamela Cornah says:

    “Generous Giving Heresy” I am Gob smacked excuse the term Who or where did you find that phrase not in the Bible not even in the worst translation In fact the followers of Jesus are encouraged to be generous givers to a fault in the Old testement right through to the last book of the Bible. We are reminded to open our hand wide to our brothers If your place of worship taught you that phrase Run brother run Free will giving is the only time that you get Gods attention. You are told to keep it between you and Him
    Now tithing is different You need to show your blessings received so as to encourage others to follow your example.
    Generous Giving Heresy Hey! What an evil statement. And Yes God does own everything you have Naked you come into this world pal but He being a Generous Giving Heretic only takes a tenth of your Profit which you gained by His generosity to you in the first Place. Wow do you need a Bible Badly.

  19. MArk says:

    Hello all!!!

    I am on the road and will reply in detail from my office – however I am compelled to clerify 1 issue concerning LOVE that seems to be repeating. That LOVE SATISFIES THE LAW. This is true but sort of miss represented… The LAW does not go away – so this must be understood as a contuial action in relationship to the LAW and not a single act. It would be better understood if we expressed this LOVE aspect. THAT IS: LOVING SATISFIES LAW!!!

    When we stop LOVING we stop Satisfing the LAW.

    In addition love or loving with actions (1 Cor 13:1-13) makes it clear that the LOVE Gog is talking about is ACTION LOVE!!!

    God gave His only begotten Son. Is the primary example of that action For all time!!!

    When we (Jesus in us) stop acting (LOVE) then we stop fulfilling the LAW!


    • Pamela Cornah says:

      Well said.
      There is no such thing as sin without the law ‘SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW” says the word, If there is no law why would we be called upon to repent from our sins(Law breaking) That means there would not be any Righteous people ever because the word “Righteous” means law keeping.
      “say unto the righteous, It shall be well with them”

  20. Mark says:

    Hello all.

    I’m in my office today — To clarify one issue a little more in depth that I hammered out on my iPhone (big fingers – small buttons) earlier with spelling errors intact… lol

    Let us consider (as just one example)

    Romans 6:8-10 (NKJV) – 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.

    (Also See: 2 Cor 4:10, 13:4; 2 Tim 2:1; Rom 6:4)

    Jesus Christ did die and satisfy the LAW, YES! However, that death (and LAWFULL EFFECT) was only half of what satisfies the LAW. Jesus’ death without Jesus’ resurrection and eternal life would have had (NO impact, value, or purpose) on the LAW or on any other topic, as well.

    The conversation about Jesus death satisfying the LAW many times is in a disconnected tone in regards to it speaker.

    Many times this is unintentional of course.

    It is sort of like “that Jesus over there” died and satisfied the LAW! Amen… Then the speaker sort of claims it after the fact.

    Jesus’ death only has meaning in His resurrected Life…
    This further means Jesus resurrected Life within the Born again Christian.

    This is why I said LOVING satisfies the LAW (as apposed to LOVE) as an ongoing action (of eternal life within us) from within all born-again Christians.

    In regards to tithing 10% (being a living sacrifice 100% ~ (Romans 12:1-5) ~ like minded and of one accord). Jesus satisfying the LAW only happens as it is lived through the lives of born-again believers in the world. This is one way we glorify God… by living it out-loud!!! AND NOT JUST A SINGLE ACT OF LOVE!

    So this should not be viewed as (something over there) but rather as something available (YES) as a Grace offered — until people do (Romans (10:9-10)

    It only has purpose when that Grace is received (Romans 10:9-10) and lived in & through Christians (Jesus’ death & resurrection) that it speaks out-loud through lives what is the POWER OF THE WORD. What the WORD OF GRACE is saying in and through our lives?

    (THE WORD MADE FLESH – John 1:14)

    Let us not say that Jesus satisfied the LAW – unless we (each person) can say…


    …with the Power of (HIS WORD IN US) that we claim through Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection – living in us.


  21. Kat says:

    These post arguments have left me more confused than ever…

    • Guest says:

      Stop listening to man and read the Word for yourself. Here are a few Bible verses to help you not believe these grace robbers who promote fear and curses over those who may not tithe on every dollar

      Hebrews 7:12 For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.

      Romans 3:20For by works of the law no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, through the law we become conscious of sin.

      Acts 20:33 (Apostle Paul Speaking) I have coveted no ones gold, silver or apparel

      Acts 20:34 You yourselves know I have work for everything me and my companions needed

      Acts 13:39
      ..and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.

      Galatians 3:24 “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith”

      Galatians 3:25 ” But after faith is come we are no longer under a School master.

      John 1:16 “For of his fullness we all received, and grace for grace.”

      John 1: 17 “For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ”.

      John 19:30 “When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit”
      The Greek translation for”it is finished” means “Tetelestai” same as: Paid in full”

      Acts 15:4 “When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them”.

      Acts 15: 5 “But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses.”

      Note: Them refers to the new non-Jewish (Gentile)Converts to Christ

      Peter Speaking to the Council of Judaizers & Apostles in Jerusalem
      Acts 15:8 “God knows people’s hearts, and he confirmed that he accepts Gentiles by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he did to us”.

      Acts 15:9 “and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith”.
      (not law keeping)

      Acts 15:10 ” Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?”

      Acts 15:19 “Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God”,

      Acts 15:24 “Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions”, (on keeping the laws of Moses/ circumcisions)

      Acts 15:28 “For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements”:

      Acts 15:29 “that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

      2nd Corinthians 9:7 “Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

      Galatians 2:16 ” yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified in sight.”

      Galatians 2:21 “I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

      Galatians 3:1 “O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified.

      Galatians 3:2 “This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?

      Galatians 3:3 “Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?”

      Galatians 3:5 “Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—

      Galatians 3:10 “For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.

      Galatians 3:11 “Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”

      Galatians 3:12 “However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM.”

      Galatians 3:13 “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us– for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE “–

      Galatians 3:14 “so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith”

      Galatians 5:1 “Stand fast therefore in the liberty with which Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

      Galatians 5:2 “Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you.
      Note Paul is speaking of believers under Grace that are trying to be justified by the works of the law and failing to live by grace

      Galatians 5:3 “And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law”.

      Note: This is a very important verse!!!
      Galatians 5:4 “You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace”.

      Ephesians 2:15 “.by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace”

      Colossians 2 :14 “by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

      Colossians 2:15 “When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed
      over them through Him.

      Hebrews 8:6 ” But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises.

      Hebrews 8:7 “For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second”.

      Hebrews 8:13 “In that he said, A new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away”.(King James Version)

      American Standard Hebrews 8:13″When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear”.

      Hebrews 7:28 “For the Law appoints men as high priests who are weak, but the word of the oath, which came after the Law, appoints a Son, made perfect forever”.

      Sadly few Christians understand the New Covenant Dispensation of Grace and the meaning of PAID IN FULL!

      Matthew 23:23 Jesus placed mercy over tithing but confirmed that the Pharisees should tithe but this was before the New Covenant.

      Scriptures said No flesh will glory in His Sight and all of our works of righteousness is as filthy rags. Our favor comes from the finished work of Christ. We work from a position of love not law!

  22. Gene Lee says:

    Everyone makes this so difficult. Jesus said we must leave our mother and father. He said we were to give up EVERYTHING to follow Him. I looked up the word ‘everything’ in a dictionary. It means EVERYTHING! ! ! Now the easy part. If I have given Him everything. . . .how then is it even possible to give Him 10%. And do I make out the check payable to G O D or to a denominational church founded by men? The tithe belongs to God. Kindly tell me how to give this.

  23. Tim Spencer says:

    Great website! And there is no point in arguing this on a forum. For a tither to accept that NT Tithing is not biblical in ANY form is for their entire world view to change and that is not easy to do. For many people who live off the scam of tithing, they have no other marketable skills except “ministry” and to accept tithing as a fraud would mean they would have to find a new line of work. When you ask a tither – pay a bill or tithe? And they say “tithe” you know you are dealing with a fraudulent practice.

    Jarod – there is one scripture I don’t think you touch on. It is in the New Testament where it testifies that LEVITES receive tithes – that is Hebrews 7 “One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth,…” This often overlooked verse verifies who collects tithes. Levites – not the 5 fold ministry. Also, when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for not tithing, notice what they tithed – “Mint and Rue” from their garden. NOT money. Again, confirming what the tithe is and what it is NOT.

    • Tim,
      thanks. You’re right if Hebrews 7 is looked upon as the continuity of tithing, then it should be looked as the continuity of the Levitical class who receive tithes.

  24. Tim Spencer says:

    In reading some of these arguments – it all boils down to – “Are we under the law, or are we not” Personally, I can not believe anyone could read Galatians and think that in any way whatsoever we are under the law. To think that, demonstrates what little has been revealed, taught or understood by the person who thinks that. That is not meant as an insult – merely that the truth of the Gospel has not yet been realized. I will leave you with this – “He who is lead by the Spirit is not under the law.” – Paul in his letter to the Galations.

  25. garyandelsa says:

    I have also studied RUssel KEllys essay about tithing. Its been such an eye opener to say the least.

  26. Jimmy says:

    Wow-what a wide range of replies to this study. I fail to see as a New testament Christian where tithing will make or break me. I sure feel it at church twice a week getting my armed twisted for tithes and offerings. Example……The church I was attending took away the Manna program (feeding the poor once a week) to getting a 30.000 dollar digital sign out front to compete with other churches on the road. “really” this act of stupidity has forever changed my mind on the modern church. I was devastated to say the least. I do my best to feed the poor on my own street and give my time. I have a regular bible study once a week at my house where I feed all who come. You can argue God’s law and his grace until the cows come home…..But where is your giving heart? Where is the shirt off your back? Let the Holy Spirit guide you. Most of all get the word of the Gospel out in Love and without judgment. The church has survived for over 2000 years now and will not pass away because a lack of funds. Just look at the underground church around the world who fears the loss of their lives ,not the loss of their tithes. Sorry just got on a tangent.

    God Bless

  27. Tim Spencer says:

    Jimmy – You my friend understand the Kingdom of God and understand there is a difference between the ekklesia that came out of Jerusalem and the church that came out of Rome.

  28. Jimmy says:

    I have more than three churches represented with many who do not attend for the same reasons listed in this study. I do stress that giving comes from the heart and not out of guilt, membership, or being bullied. To not give to help your church keeping the lights on, or supporting missionary’s around the world, or most of all the poor in need would be uncharacteristic of a Christian. But it must come from the heart. I see my giving as a sign of maturity in my walk. Putting pressure on new Christians is wrong, and pushes many away. May God bless all who are here with wisdom and understanding.

    God bless

  29. Blessed says:

    very well said Jimmy and thank you so much to that guest who sent various verses.. I feel so enlighten :)

    God bless you all

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