- 10% was not the minimum amount for Israel. They gave less than 10% at times. (Hebrews 7:4; Numbers 31:28-30)
- The New Testament does not command, address, or mention tithing to the Gentiles who are unfamiliar with Jewish practices.
- Jesus’ own ministry operated from freewill offerings. He also commanded the disciples to receive freely. (Luke 8:1-3, Matthew 10:8-10)
- The children of God under his family are not taxed. They are free to give (Matthew 17:25; Galatians 4:5)
- Tithing was not a requirement prior to the Mosaic law considering Jacob freely offered God 10%. (Genesis 28:20)
- None of the Israelites tithed while outside of the promised land. (Deuteronomy 12:5)
- Abraham’s tithe was under the Old Covenant, which was established before Moses and was also fulfilled (Genesis 3; Hebrews 8:13)
- Giving would be the only spiritual gift with a minimum requirement and not led by the Spirit.
- There are no commands to modify tithing with how we practice it today, so people have to make up correlations to get it to fit into the church.
- Israelites who did not grow food or raise animals did not tithe. (Leviticus 27:30)
- Giving is not by compulsion. (2 Corinthians 9:6-9)
- The Levitical priests were required to serve 25 years, and just like tithing, the New Testament doesn’t recall this requirement either
- Unless giving 10% is the spiritual nature of God’s holiness, then it falls under the same classification of other interim tokens in the Old Covenant that Christ fulfilled
Be real and not disgrace your God says
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah Blah Blah
Blabbermouths. Your book is full of contradictions which means someone is lying. You people can’t even agree on whether tithing is outdated. Yet you changed the Sabbath to Sunday which was Saturday. Yet you demand perfection and in paying your ten percent as a way to earn your answer to prayer.
If they could get away with you most of you would still stone the gays or the President which you haters secretly want to see go away. What a bunch of phonies you are! Yet you holler about the abortion sinners. You say one thing then it comes out that they are doing the same things secretly behind closed doors.
Jesus was attractive and people like me have no problems with the concept of him and all the good things he did. If he is really the same as God he must be ashamed of most of you!
Patty says
Be Real should take the boulder out of your own eye then you can see the speck in ours! Translated as you are pretty hateful yourself!
Inquiry Minds Want To Know says
Mr. & Mrs Law-Keeping Tither:
Why does it always have to be about paying God money as why you are blessed? If you want to please Jesus start by loving others more than yourselves, since that is supposed to be his new commandment. I guess giving money is easier than being kinder and more loving!
Right on Be Real. The real voice of reason!!!
Much Thanks to Freewill giver says
Freewill Giver, don’t think your words just fall to the ground. I hear you & discern your pure heart! You are a searcher of truth.
anonymous says
Gerald- the Old Testament was only a type and shadow of better things to come. Every single thing pointed to Jesus from Genesis on into the New Testament. The Old represented the law for right-standing and justification. The New Testament is the fulfillment of all laws by Jesus the only one who kept all the laws to perfection as our representative. We were once the product of Adam we gave us our sin-nature. Now Jesus has given us a new nature and newness of life in him. Our position with God has been made right again. Jesus has restored our way back to God and is now our bridge and way back. What Adam lost for Mankind, Jesus has restored. Laws were given to point to a better way. Laws written not the old way on tablets of stone but in our hearts by the Holy Spirit. We do not have to be saved by Old Testament ceremonial rituals and Jewish laws but by faith in a person. That person is the way the truth and the life. He is the be all and end all. Jesus is the summation of everything in the Old and New Testament. It is because of Jesus that God has removed his wrath and judgment for sins. Your sins can be washed away because of the blood of Jesus. No animal sacrifice or anything else is needed for this free gift. You don’t pay for it and you can’t earn it. Tithing is a means to support the Church but it is no longer a law that will result in the curse if broken. Jesus took our curse upon that tree. He has redeemed us from the curse of the law and ushered in grace. Ask for grace for every need and see him give it to you for free. Support your church but you cannot pay for what Jesus paid for already just give out of gratitude and thanksgiving. To give out of fear or approval is dishonoring him. Jesus already approves of you if you open the door of your heart to him. He will remember your sins no more and will remove your sins as far as the east is from the west and we all know the east and west never connect.
Loris says
I agree on how different God is in the Old Testament from how Jesus gives the image of God in the New Testament as entirely different.
In the Old Testament those laws were very strict and had to be kept by threat of death or stoning. Not so in the New Testament.
I want to know is Marty keeping the Sabbath? says
Marty said the ten commandments are still in force but he has not answered as to whether he keeps the Sabbath. No work, talking on the phone but he must cease from all activity, including watching TV from Friday at Sundown till Saturday at Sundown. He said mandatory tithing was not abolished for Gentile and the New Testament believers what is he basing this own, his own theory? He can’t be basing it on Scripture. I doubt he is even keeping the Sabbath (on Sat) either!
Why they hold on to an abolished law! says
Definition of Hypnosis:
A state of mind control similar to sleep in which the subject acts on external suggestions from an authority figure or controlling person and is convinced their suggestions are real. Persons in love and emotionally dependent on Abusers even to the point of refusing to leave them is a good example. The Abuser seems to have power over the person and repeats over and over that the abuser deserves the abuse.
Prostitutes who sell their bodies and give all their money to Pimps who beat them.
Little children whose parents have taught them that racism is morally acceptable can also be included in this hypnotized brainwashed category.
My theory of how mind control happens is, first it starts with repetition where something is repeated over and over again from a Superior type authority figure. The Authority figure may be a parental type role model, charismatic type person with talent and persuasive speaking skills. Repetition such as commercials, political talk shows, music and television may lead to hypnosis in my opinion.
The listeners may want to believe without question and evidence. A mob like mentality may develop where people adapt the behavior and attitude of the crowd for approval or to gain a sense of belonging.
There is no other explanation for the tithers defense of a lie being perpetrated when the New Testament does not support any such command to the Gentiles to tithe as payment to God or be subject to a curse. Many people brainwash their children, Hitler did it to an entire nation and the political clones practice it faultlessly.
Are you amazed at how a person can convince themselves a baby in its mothers womb is not a live person?
Believing the GENTILES under the New Testament Covenant must pay God to be blessed and avoid a curse with not one verse to support it is the evidence of being subject to mind control brainwashing/hypnosis.
They dismiss what the Apostle Paul instructed even though he established the Gentile Churches by the appointment of none other than Jesus himself. To think for themselves and research the truth is considered disloyal.
Atheist appear to be self hypnotized and have convinced themselves that the world and everything in Creation just happened out of nowhere from nothing but chance. There are many forms of mind-control and hypnosis but to just follow along and refuse evidence is a sure sign of being under the influence of hypnosis or mind control. I pity people who refuse to read their Bibles for themselves and can only parrot what they hear. Since we are on the subject of mind control, I’m sorry to offend anybody but Jesus mother (Mary) while he was on earth is not equal to God in any shape form or fashion and you have no biblical proof just like those insisting on tithing to avoid a curse.
Ann says
Marty just might keep the Sabbath to a tee. but if he is not a Seventh Day Adventist Christian who keeps the sabbath then he is may fall under the category as a hypocrite since he is telling us to keep the ten commandments odd he skips the other Jewish laws and there are hundreds. Adventist also keep the Jewish Old Testament Dietary Laws on what God told the Jews to eat but they do believe in Jesus as the only way to God.
THIS IS FOR MARTY AND PRO-TITHERS says
READ THIS TO SNAP OUT OF YOUR HYPNOSIS: CHRIST HAS REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW.
CHRIST HAS REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW. CHRIST HAS REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW. CHRIST HAS REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW. CHRIST HAS REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW THE LAW THE LAW CHRIST HAS REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW THE LAW REDEEMED US FROM THE LAW THE CURSE OF THE LAW!
Know your Bible and Church History says
Gentile Tithing was not a requirement in the early New Testament Churches established by the Apostle Paul. This is why you cannot find the command to tithe in the New Testament Scriptures as a Gentile mandated Law from God.
Gentiles did not pay Tithes till 585 A.D. Look it up for yourself you can Goggle this information.
Anyone who has investigated Church History and studied tithing knows it was not instituted till 585 AD for the Gentile (not Jews) Church.
Paul the Apostle did not demand a salary but established the Churches by donations and free will offering, see Acts 20:33,
1 Thessalonians 2:9 Paul worked as a Tent-Maker as he Preached the Gospel. Also in Acts.
The Emperor Constantine, King Henry VIII and King James greatly influenced the Church world and the spread of Christianity. Lay persons were not allowed to have Bibles in the early Roman Catholic Church.
The Protestant (Not Roman Catholic Church) started by Martin Luther (not King Jr.) who protested 95 false doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church and the Revolt began. Murders and killings by the sanction of Kings and Queens were done to keep the Religion of that particular King or Queen in practice.
Our Founding Fathers wrote in our USA Constitution that we are free to worship our own way without penalty to avoid anyone Religion as National Law to avoid what the Kings did in England.
Tithing was first practiced and required by the Roman Catholic Pope in 585 AD to support their Clergy. Until then they were supported by the Kings/Queens.
God never gave instructions for Gentiles (anyone not Jewish) to pay tithes. Jews were the only one chosen by God and given God’s Covenant Laws. The exception was Ruth and Rahab and Bathseba.
Gentiles were only allowed into a Covenant Relationship with God after Jesus died on the Cross and Rose again. Then Jesus his disciples the Great Commission to go into all the world and preach the Gospel before it was only to the lost Sheep of Israel (meaning Jews).
There were some six hundred and fifteen Jewish Laws. These Mosaic Jewish Laws expanded out of the Ten Commandments.
These Mosaic Laws were then departmentalized into Four Categories Personal Laws,
Community Laws, Governmental Laws and National Laws.
Read the Bible from cover to cover. You may be using scriptures out of context if you don’t. To understand one verse bible verse begin at the beginning of the Chapter. For clarification you can buy various commentaries.
Find out when and whom God was speaking to and when the law applies. Some laws were abolished at the Cross. Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14 declares that Jesus canceled the ordinances and Laws that were against us by nailing it to his Cross.
When someone argues in favor of the Church today having to pay God money for favors or be cursed with the Old Covenant tithe Law it is an indication that these people have not read the Bible and really have no understanding of the free promises of Jesus who made the payment for their rights and privileges from God.
Each one should give as he has purposed in his own heart not out of pressure or grudgingly for God loves a cheerful giver.
2nd Corinthians 9:7 No tithing Mandate was given.
Those that have decided to tithe let the Lord be praised and not yourselves. Stop thinking it was your own efforts that got you favor from God but remember it was the efforts of Jesus alone.
He paid the price with his own blood and you can’t put a price on that with your money!
PEG says
The Tithe Police People are not brainwashed. They are not even programed by repeating Old Testament Malachi tithe or be cursed you see the truth is they just feel oh so much better and more special than that poor miserly non-tither. They are so very proud of their works and not the payment made by Jesus. They can’t give it up being the Pastors pets, or the approval they get standing in that tithe line. The praise is very glorious and the feeling of being on God’s top ten list of whom he loves the most is too gratifying. They get to serve in Ministry and on Church Boards where they are highly favored and verbally praised to high heaven. How dare you ask them to give this all up and research the truth that Jesus died to bless them and provide for them for free. This is is just too much to give up and it is only ten percent for all the praise and adulation and bragging rights they must give up if they accepted the truth!!!
Kate says
How did they lie get started that people in the Old Testament did not have money to tithe and that is why they tithed crops of food or animals. Joseph the son of Jacob was sold into Slavery for 30 pieces of silver and Abraham bought a plot of land to bury Sarah when she died for 400 pieces of SILVER get it SILVER!
More lies uncovered says
Along with the lie that Gentiles must keep Old Covenant tithing laws, there is the Roman Catholic false Doctrine that the Pope is the head of the Church. The Doctrine that the Pope is INFALLIBLE Cannot ever make a mistake or fail is a big lie.
No way and no how!!! Jesus is the Head of His Church and Body. Not your Pope, Priest or Pastor is the Head of the Church. Jesus is the head of His Church. Anybody else is just babysitting till God our real Father comes home. The Priest is not your Father either. Not against tithing or Roman Catholic Doctrines just against the manipulation and deception in some of the doctrine.
It is God's business not yours! says
No one but God can judge why people tithe or don’t tithe. Why they lie about things or misrepresent Him. Is that your business? Live and let live. God gives people free will and He let them go their own way, who are you to force people into the truth? Jesus let people walk away from him in disbelief he did not force his love or the truth on anyone. We live in the information age so sooner than later people will be able to discover the truth just by typing the question on the internet.
Al Sydney says
This is for those who think you need to pay your tithes so that God wont curse you,what do you do to receive healing?peace and rest?What do you do for God to answer your prayers?Please think and pray about this.Either Jesus redeemed us FROM ALL THE CURSE OF THE LAW OR HE DIDNT.Does that mean your tithes are redeeming you from the curse?.That is totally ridiculous.Make up your minds and stop insulting christians with your stupid and mindless arguments.Please dont just take what pastors or evangelist teach you because Jesus warned us about wolves in sheeps clothing.Jim Baker confessed that they all made up this prosperity message to con people for money on TBN .Go to Jim Bakers website.Why did Jesus say that we cant serve two masters,MONEY or HIM.and please stop this ten percent pride trip.
DOUBTING GOD IS REAL says
Tithing Preachers are the ones who lack faith. They really don’t believe what they are teaching and it is obvious because they have to spread lies to get people pay God for his answer to their prayer needs. Preachers, if you have to lie to get people to support your Churches maybe you should not be in business in the first place.
DOUBTING GOD IS REAL says
Lying to get people to pay tithes when it is not in your first Christian Church rule as a demand by your leader Apostle Paul is right??? Should you check yourselves for lying sins. Not throwing stones just wondering out loud.
Anonym. says
This is not your business but a matter for the body of Christ to work through. Get out of our family feud. Find an Agnostic club to join.
Freewillgiver says
Doubting God is real came to this blog by the power of Jesus for all of our benifits. Jesus brang the true communion of good wine and deep friendships. Food Tithes including wine and strong drink (Beer) were suppose to be a loving party and blessing for the hurting and in want. How many times have anyone ever heard of the beer tithes in Duteronomy 14:20-31
Church people have distorted the image of Jesus into some stuffy boxy Preacher. He drank wine and really got to know people. We need to have real communion of fellowship wich involves getting messy with people and hearing hearts. Always hard work.
The poor have every right to debate and question athority. (Deuteronomy 26:12)
The poor have every right to debate and question athority. Deuteronomy 14:26 and
Deuteronomy 26:12. My doubting friend is poor in faith but his participation can make us stronger in faith if we accept what Jesus has given us. Our suffering and love opportunities are always right now to bring true love. Doubting gets to learn of the true love of Jesus while we get to practice the true love of Jesus trough loving every situation as a gift from the hand of God.
Christ in us