As we continue our series ‘Tithing on Trial’, let’s evaluate another argument used to defend tithing. Many believe that Jesus taught tithing so it should be required for Christians. Let’s read through and examine scripture to answer the question – Did Jesus teach tithing for the Church?
In Matthew 23:23, Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees and says this, “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.”
Undoubtedly because these words come out of the mouth of Jesus, many believe this settles the tithing issue for them. But this assumption is made out of ignorance and the conclusion is not within scriptural context. If you read the whole chapter of Matthew 23 and research the other Old Testament commands that Jesus taught, we can reveal that the tithing issue is not settled by the words of Jesus.
If you were to understand what Jesus was talking about, who he was talking to, and under what circumstances in Matthew 23:23, then we need to start at the very begging on the passage and understand its context. shouldn’t surprise us that Jesus still taught aspects of the Law since the Bible records him observing the Passover in Matthew 26:17.
Matthew 23:1 begins by saying, “Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe,[a] that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.“
At the beginning of Matthew 23, Jesus confirms that the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat, and then commands the disciples to obey the Pharisees (which is surprising). The introduction in Matthew 23 reveals that Jesus upheld the Mosaic law, and still commanded it. One of the keys to remember in this passage is that we can learn from the teachings of Jesus, but it doesn’t mean Jesus’ address to the disciples and the Israelites is a personal plea for the New Testament Church. If you believe Church leaders sit in Moses’ seat and that we are to observe the Mosaic laws, then i can see why you believe that everything Jesus’ commanded back then should be commanded now.
In another example of Jesus teaching the law, we read Matthew 5:23-24, “Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
Considering that this was near the end of Jesus’ life on earth and somewhat close to the birth of the Church, I am somewhat shocked that Jesus is still giving the Israelites instructions on how to worship on an altar.
Luke 5:14 is another passage of Jesus upholding the law when he commands a healed man to show himself to the priest. If you read more scripture, you will see that Jesus observed the Passover and attended the feasts prescribed in the Mosaic law. There was no question that Jesus obeyed the law, practiced the law, and taught the law. So, who is to say that Jesus was commanding the New Testament Church to tithe?
Let’s review Matthew 23:23 again where Jesus highlights how meticulous the Pharisees were tithing the small herbs in their crops, and then criticizes them for omitting justice, mercy, and faith. If you have an understanding of how tithing was practiced in the Mosaic law, you would know that the only items that could be tithed upon were crops and animals. This means that neither money nor goods were accepted for the tithe. What’s important to remember here is that Jesus did not ridicule them for their obedience to the specifics of the Mosaic law; he approved their obedience to the Law. So, if you believe Jesus commendation to tithe is applicable to us, then you must also believe that only the tithes of animals or from crops is applicable.
If you need some sort of litmus test to determine what laws in the old testament are commanded today and what laws are not, you could likely use the actions of the Pharisees as your test. We know the Pharisees excelled at keeping the Mosaic law but did not excel at obeying universal principles such as justice, mercy, and faith. So, you could abstain from any of the laws that the Pharisees were religious about without worrying if you are doing the wrong thing. In regards to tithing, please take note that the Pharisees excelled in this area.
In a final note, if Jesus’ words confirmed tithing for us, then it is confirmation that all the requirements and meticulous regulations that went with tithing should be continued as well. We can’t just take parts of Jesus’ words about tithing and cherry-pick the parts we wanted to obey. For instance, the Jews could only give from their crops or their animals. Yet, all the churches are ok with giving money, which was illegal to give as a tithe.
Now that the evidence has been given in this court of law, it is your turn to decide; Did Jesus Teach Tithing for the Church – Guilty or not guilty?
YOU BE THE JUDGE
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John, where are these blessings that we won’t believe, that comes from heaven.
If tithing applies, then this must be true for everyone who tithes EVERY TIME.
Doesn’t happen. Case closed.
Give as your heart dictates, not from compulsion. Pretty confusing isn’t it? Not really.
Marc, everything you said must be supported from biblical truth.
do not rely so much on your understanding.
our existence is to obey God and the purpose is in his laws that declared righteousness.
what is the purpose of giving his laws to the people?
it’s just there to obey them. God is spirit along with his spiritual laws. To obey is to believe that he exists, right?
The tithing law was set up first in heaven then to earth (Mathew 6:10).
To remove it is to deprive you of your right to inherit this heavenly gift which is the eternal life.
Because the law was given to the people through his covenant.
i want you to read this Paul’s statement in Hebrew 7:8 and understand.
Hebrews 7:8
8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die ( Levite priests) ; but in the other case, by him ( Jesus ) who is declared to be living.
The tithing law was transferred to Jesus’ directive. nothing more!
Jesus upped the ante in the New Testament. He does not require 10%. He requires 100% of all that you posess materially. He asked you to sell all that you have and give it to the poor and needy and follow him.
Jesus said of money. Reneder unto Caesar what is Caesars. So give money to Caesar. Levite priests were not allowed to own anything land or posessions so that served God and his people out of pure service. The people gave gave them food and meat and drink so they would be able to sustain their lives at a bare minimum. No money wasever given. Even though money existed at that time. So catch a wake up!
In response. Jesus tells a parable of the 1 in 10 that has been saved and that comes and offers themselves as a sacrifice to him. You are the tithe Jesus is looking for 100% of you. But only 10% of tbose he saves willsl surrender to him. He obeys that law but Jesus does not want 10% of your money bru. He wants 100% of you as a surrended soul
In Hebrews 7 its full interpreted that changes in law and priesthood changed everything to faith in the finished work of Christ that we walk on and in Christ Jesus
If tithing is still mandatory, then the windows of heaven MUST open up and pore blessings upon us THAT WE WON’T BELIEVE.”
It must happen 100% of the time.
It doesn’t.
But, hey, living in a nicer house than the people in the pew must mean a larger mortgage payment, right? Come on, the pastor needs the money.
Give as your heart dictates, not with reluctance, nor compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
The floodgates of heaven are open to us 100% of the time empowering us to prosper. We tithe by faith just like any other thing we do to please God. We bring our tithe now to our high priest, Jesus, if you’re worried about the pastor mishandling the money seek God for guidance.
yeah! Just like i said that this tithing law according to Paul’s letter in Hebrew 7:8 is the new testament tithing law. that’s what i believed.
Hebrews 7:8
8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die ( Levite priests) ; but in the other case, by him ( Jesus ) who is declared to be living.
Hebrews 7:8 states And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
of Melchizedek!
…and one more, u can’t feel the blessings pouring from heaven. it’s symbolic for freely given to men from God.
and if it doesn’t come on time remember u r being tested for ur faith of how long will u endure up to the end of time. just like Paul said some didn’t receive anything yet they were proven righteous.
Hebrews 11:39
These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised
We do not tithe by fait – we “tithe” from lack of understanding of Jesus’ words.
From Jesus’ words spoken by him while walking on earth,
We are to give freely and willingly and cheerfully from both abundance and lack without counting it as loss to ourself.
The bigger the percentage of what we give away in material posessions, in relation to what we possess, the MORE the greater the blessing we receive from God. In what form that blessing sill come Jesus is silent on. More money? More food? More drink? More individual or multiple fruits of the spirit? More easier to enter the kingdom of heaven? We are not told.
Jesus said we must give secretly, without letting anyone know we are giving. Not even our own biological family must know. Only our Father in Heaven is to know …
So in summation Jesus talks an awful lot about giving and how to give to “those in need” not to pastors or these modern day “charlatans” who profess to be “apostles” who already have more than they “need” anyway, by virtue of which fact, they are disqualified from your giving … in obedience to Jesus’ words. My people perish from lack of knowledge because they refuse to go to source and break open the word of God for themselves so that the source of the word speaks to them directly. Go to source ask God for the Holy Spirit assiduously earnestly with a sincere intense desire and he will reveal the meaning of his words directly to you.
U do not need a middle MAN between you and Gods word. Jesus deatroyed that institution by dying on the cross for you and tearing away the veil, the maya, the illusion, the deception that you are a separate creation from God. You are not. Go direct to Source and receive the direct revelation of Gods word to you straight from him. You do not need middle men. Go unpack for youraelf go research and grapple with Goda word on your own. Do not allow yourself to be be side tracked by self appointed middle men who gi e eaxh other credibility in the world by imaginging themselves to be more knowledgeable or better able to decipher Gods word than you are! The intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate! Go study Jesus’ spoken words for yourself. Ask God not man for clarity. You only have 1 Rabbi 1 teacher of God’s word and that is Jesus. He made it easy for us by dying on the cross and destroying the institution of needing an earthly intercesor interpretor between us and our Father in Heaven. Before Jesus came, yes you did need them. After he died on the cross for all our sins for all time he reconciled us to the Father via our spiritual intercessor the Holy Spirit who descended upon earth from Heaven after Jesus left us. The Holy Spirit is your intercessor He is ur revealer of Goda hidden truths. Not man. Go to source and you will be free of the deception being perpetrated on you.
Hallelujah Preacher Brother finally somebody understands the word of God without diluting it and twisting scripture. tithing never had anything to do with money not one single time. I’ve been preaching this for 30 years people still want to harden their hearts to the things of God, God is Spirit he cannot spend money man spends money people need food to live seed that’s in the ground that grows God gives the increase and we give it and need to our brothers and sisters 2nd Corinthians 9 now concerning the collection for the Saints. it never had anything to do with collecting for people’s pocketbooks!! wake up so-called Church repent of your sins and come clean with GOD! The body of Believers is the church the buildings will not be there much longer we will not be able to Worship in gathering together as we should because evil is abounding, but the Church of Jesus Christ will keep on going and growing! This plan scam demek should be showing us a lot the churches were almost shut down for over a year God’s bride still is together loving and doing the fathers will !!
I don’t know enough to argue biblically, but I can comment on “the pastor’s need the money”. I’m pretty quick to point out the preacher with the $500 shoes and $150,000 sportster. However, that’s not true for all or most. Think about all the food pantries and shelters. The vast majority of them are Christian ministries. My church alone feeds thousands every month. I know there are pastors that abuse the people and take too much. However, it costs money to help others. It’s not our governments responsibility to feed people. It’s our churches. Regardless of Christian law, if people didn’t tithe, do you think as many people would get help? Jesus was more concerned with people helping and loving others than he was about religion and law. He said love everyone. It may or may not be a law to tithe. That’s not why we tithe. God gave us everything. Don’t give if you resent it. Give because you love others.
it must not be in a church and expected to be accepted in heaven, cos jesus said u must go back and make peace. how many times have we kept total peace? yes God loves a cheerfull giver. not thitegiver. but a generous giver. my friends God is after our hearts. when our heart is pure no matter how u practice mosaic and traditional laws God is not there. but when u please the lord, you will feel the lord. you can only do it for ur self. no ur activities,religion,belief, Gods blessings is free for all.’
Tithing is not New Testament. The tithe was a type and shadow of Jesus. As God gave the increase the tithe was only Crops and Livestock. The tithe was always something you ate. It was commanded in Deuteronomy to take the tithe to a place every 3 years and eat it in the presence of the Lord ( even strong drink) a first fruit offering was given to the Levite and had a share with the people as they could not own land. Jesus is the firstfruit and He said this is my blood of the new covenant this is my body broken for you. Blood and Bread ….livestock and Crops …a shadow of things to come….who is being robbed the church today. Mathew 23 23 Jesus was talking to the Pharasees who were still under the law. He had not yet gone to the cross and all of those comments start with Woe to you. As far as the blessings in Malachi 3 ” will I not poor out such “A” blessing there will not be enough room to contain “IT” these are singular talking about Jesus coming to earth not as the pastor says you will be blessed by material things if you tithe. The whole tithing in the church is a crock of junk a way to extract money from uninformed people. Giving is New Testament freely without compulsion and in love.
Some say tithing in the old covenant with animals and crops was because that was the coinage of the day but that is not true. Money is recorded throughout the bible starting in Genesis. It time for the truth to come from the pulpit and no longer bring guild and condemnation on those that cannot afford to tithe. Jesus is the tithe study the scripture it will blow your mind it’s all there. There is no more tithing in the New Testament no matter how hard they try and tell you to extract money it simply is not found in the New Testament . Tithing… Eat of my flesh and drink of my blood you can have no part of me. There are hundreds of examples in the bible just research then and it will bring total freedom to you. Those that don’t agree you will probably find they have been brainwashed into the prosperity gospel ….another gospel .It would be considered blasphemous to tithe in money. We don’t sacrifice animals today we don’t circumcise today we are free from the law. if you are being taught correctly in your church and feel led to give then give generously. You are free….
how long will u deny Hebrew 7:8?
Hebrew 7:8 is expressed in the context of the entire Hebrews 7. The chapter elucidate the Old and the new priesthood, period. The reference to tithes therein is not the affirmation of NT tithing but a reference to emphasise the characteristic difference of the new priesthood.
If you understand both the NT and OT well you will find that giving in the NT is actually 100%. God seeks your heart and not your hand. This further underscores the obvious purpose of the OT tithing law; to provide for the priesthood who served exclusively at the temple.It follows that if that old temple was destroyed by the new High Priest and a new one built US, the need for maintaining the physical priesthood went with the old temple.
The NT giving requirement is all or nothing. Many only insist on the OT giving in order to sustain the caricature of the OT temple they have created to gratify themselves.
We ought to teach people to give themselves wholeheartedly to God and if they do so, God can direct them on how to steward the resources He commits to them, rather than threaten them to give compulsorily (Not even Jesus did this).
Man O man this is a nonstop rodeo. Of a truth Paul said something along the lines of men teaching philosophies and vain babbling’s, to avoid these people. I say that not only are these people straining at a gnat, but straining at where the wings join the gnat! Taking the jot and dissecting it,quartering it in sections in a attempt to understand the truth which is none of these things,but in simplicity, and in understanding the sole reason Yeshua came forth, to reveal the very definition of the creation and the law. That is love. Against such there is no law. You say you love God? Then you know that if you love him, to obey his commandments. What of the one like unto it? Love thy neighbor as thyself. That whatever you do unto the least of these my brethren, you do also unto me. And they distributed amongst themselves as they had need and none of them lacked Lacked what? Clothes? Food? Things necessary for the body perhaps? Does not God provide the raven it’s food as needed? Even though it plows not nor sows. When a fellow man gives to a person that he knows to be without these things that pertain to this body, is that not God providing to those in need? Is not the laborer worthy of his hire? What of the bread of life? That is to say, man does not live by bread alone but by the very word of God. So then faith comes by hearing,and hearing from the word of God. Hmmm, hearing from who? Make no mistake,God demands order in his true church if it is even possible to find one of the gathering places that are as rare as precious jewels, but the truth that makes up these peoples is as readily available as the air we breath. If God didn’t demand order when order is not being persecuted, then rank of the bishops,deacons,pastors ect was all in vain. When the priest served their course of one out of two weeks per year, where did they lay their head? What did they eat? Did not Eli’s two sons profane the headquarters or temple,clearing out the priest portion in which they depended on,for teaching and hearing the moral commandments,statutes and judgements of God,robbing the priest under them (stewards) of food,things necessary for keeping things moving so that they could minister unto the people? Causing the priest to be forced to work in the field to feed themselves and their families when they should have been ministering? Ministering to the lost sheep of Christ which is to say of God? Even when caused by either persecution or as is right now the case, being able to even find any church within 200 miles that’s true to the word of God, are few in number. As written,where 2 or more are gathered in my name there I am also in the midst of them. Do these 2 not look out for each other, offering to them things they lack? And likewise, being stewards of the cause,taking that 9% and giving to the poor and needy, that have neither home,food or clothing? Taking the money and buying these things so that they are not lacking? Then giving these same peoples the true food, the word of God? For of a surety, if you help these people in blessing them, they will listen to what it is you must teach them concerning our father in heaven. And by example, they will also do unto others and who knows, they by doing these things and building a good reputation, may by chance be offered a job or better. Make note I said the true word of God and not mans idea of what it may or may not mean, deceiving others and stealing from these same peoples in order to live a plush lifestyle as so many false teachers do. For the servant is not above the master and the master was at that time, not a rich preacher making a big hoopla,but living as one of the oppressed. Even then they lacked nothing for living as can be read concerning Judas and the money bag. Where did they get this money? If any of you lack what Jesus came to reveal to us, “Love”,then I could understand why any of you would be bickering about this nonsense, but those that have this never think on these things,just as our Father doesn’t think on these things. Because he is love and unless you walk contrary to him, he will never walk contrary to you and do as he’s been doing since the beginning. Providing for those whether they deserve it or not. One word of caution, if any so much as wish Godspeed to any that teach other than what Christ taught then and when he gave the commandments,statutes and judgements to Moses as an everlasting covenant. That being the sabbath of his rest. Then you are as guilty as they are in deceiving the people in that you support the lie.
We have been redeemed from the curse of the law but we still can receive the blessings of the law. We don’t do it because it is the law but it is freely given to receive what was attached to the tithe. If you plant no seed, you get no harvest and this is why there are so many Christians who have nothing. They got saved and stopped there. Yes they will make it to heaven but they are not living an overcoming lifestyle. If the devourer is not rebuked and constantly eating your harvest how will you live an abundant life? Trust Him with a tenth. I know this from experience. I’ve increased every year since I began to tithe consistently, all glory to God!
Ah, the Gospel of Prosperity, which I HATE. Just give money to the person who will spend it and see Jesus BLESS YOU!!! Lamont, you preach the Gospel of Prosperity well, are you on a church’s payroll? Just wondering.
Except it doesn’t work. A third grader can see that. If tithing worked, there would be NO poor African-American Christians in the ghettos of the United States. There would be NO poor Christians in Iran and Iraq. Etc.
Oh, by the way, Lamont, I’ve increased almost every year of my life, even before I was a Christian, AND during the years of Christianity when I gave NOTHING to the work of Jesus. No one can explain it.
In fact, 100% of the time pastors who teach the tithe will do one or two of the following three things, when they know they can’t defend their false teaching; 1. Refuse to answer. 2. Change the subject (to giving or to how much his church needs the money.) 3. Attack me personally.
There’s the proof in the pudding.
No I am not on payroll for my church, I volunteer my time for whatever I do. It’s not about just giving money, as I said before it’s about faith, the only way to please God.(Hebrews 11:6) You are correct, there should be no poor Christians period but many Christians don’t go beyond using the faith God gifted them with to get salvation.(Ephesians 2:8) After that, as I myself have been a part of and seen up close, we accept that it’s going to be a great time in heaven but on earth we just have to suffer through until it’s over.
I’m glad that you’ve increased in your life, glory to God. I pray that if you haven’t you do begin to sow into the work of Jesus, whether it be to a church or some other charity because we are blessed to be a blessing.(Genesis 12:2-3) In actuality though tithes aren’t for the pastors, we should be sowing into them if we are being fed by them.(1Corinthians 9:1-14)
I pray that you no longer hate the Gospel because it is who Jesus was and is and taught himself, not just prosperity but every aspect of the Blessing of God.(Luke 4:18-22) It’s not that a preach prosperity so much as what I read and hear from the Bible I choose to believe, not picking and choosing what parts suit me. I also believe in healing, and love, and forgiveness.
You speak like someone who has been hurt by religious thinking before from people who lacked the revelation that God gives of His Word.(Matthew 16:17) Without revelation we are stumbling about in the dark and some love to lead others around like they know where they are going but stumbling every step of the way.
I thank God for the opportunity to speak with you, and anyone else on here so that we His light can be shed that we all continue moving closer to the unity of faith in Ephesians 4. I ask for His wisdom, going forward and Thank God for His Spirit being our teacher, the Spirit of truth that hears the Father and only speaks what He hears the Father say. I ask for His safety upon us that we can give time to His Word for the renewing of our minds to the perfect will of God.
In Jesus name, I receive it now. Amen
As long as You have chance to do good,by tenth, do it.Because one of this days! Your money that you protect with….that you afraid to give to a pastor…it wont do any good or use anymore…Give while we still have a chance…were temporary have freedom for now…days will come..we have no more freedom to do anything for God
..wouldnt this mean, that conditioned upon your tithes, we receive Grace from God? But isn’t said, “We don’t receive God’s grace by our good works but believing in the Son whom he sent?”
I love the gospel, it’s lies from people who profit from it by telling lies that I don’t love.
I’ve given out thousands and thousands of tracts that tell how to get on the road to salvation.
Don’t make assumptions, as that will make you look ignorant, Lamont.
I’ll be heaven, because I have been saved by grace.
Not back to the robbing of God’s children by someone who gets paid out of the collection basket; how can supposedly mature Christians sit there and listen to something that obviously doesn’t make sense? The thief (pastor who gets paid out of the collection basket) reads Malchi 3:10, and tells the people that it means exactly opposite of what is written, because, well, it doesn’t work as written. Changing God’s word!!!!!
The thief (pastor who gets paid out of the collection basket) reads 2 Corinthians 9:7 and states that this creates a new minimum. Changing God’s word!!!!!
Maybe these thieves are even saved.
Marc I was just speaking from what you said yourself. You spoke on hating the gospel of prosperity but you can’t separate prosperity from the gospel when Jesus says He came to preach the gospel to the poor (Luke 4:18). What good news could you give the poor other than they don’t have to be poor, they can prosper? (3John 1:2)
It is awesome of you to share the Word through tracts intended to lead people to Christ but our lives should be displaying the glory of God and doing the same. Many in the world believe the gospel to be ineffective and that they can provide better on their own when we should live better than anyone because we should be living heaven on earth as God wants us (Matthew 6:10).
I specified that the pastors aren’t paid from the tithe. I spoke of sowing into their lives the same way we still pay tithes, by faith. To be a mature Christian we have to be spending our own time in the Word as well as hearing the Word through preachers and we will have our trust in God who said He would give us wisdom to understand (James 1:5-6) and He would make sense of the Word and how to operate accordingly, but if you choose not to believe that how can you expect to believe any other part of His Word.
It may just be me but I’m not moved to withold because I do not fear what man can do to me, I’ve read where it is written to give and that is what I will do. You are welcome to choose yourself how you will act on it but I believe God and I will praise Him for how He has blessed me by grace through my FAITH in giving as He instructed, not to think of my own power I have what I have.
I’m sorry, I meant doesn’t it say, “we don’t receive Grace from God because of our good works, but through the son whom he sent.”
You are correct David, we receive grace through faith and that not of ourselves (Ephesians2:8-10).
The faith we have was given to us as a gift from God and it was given so we could do good works. Remember faith without works is dead, meaning our faith isn’t working to bring us the harvest of God’s grace (James 2:17-18).
It was never about the items people brought but the faith that was behind the bringing. If God never changes as the Word says (Numbers 23:19) then it has always been impossible to please Him without faith (Hebrews 11:6).
Jesus is the Word that we have faith in now, the fine flour and bread offerings are His body, the animal sacrifices are His blood, the oil is His anointing through the Spirit. All by grace, not because of anything we did, not by earning but because He loves us first (1John 4:9-11).
Now through our actions of love towards one another do we show that we accept what He has freely given. Our wife or girlfriend doesn’t just accept the words “I love you” without us backing them up with actions of corresponding type. The Word is full of actions we can take to show that acceptance and tithing is one of them.
Thanks Lamont. I see this better now through your context. Tithing is something ive been battling for a little while. I had prayed about it some time back and was then lead to Parable of the Rich Farmer. The only conclusion I’ve been left with is, God isn’t concerned about a tenth, he is concerned that we aren’t stingy with our money…
..but I’m still not sure on this matter
i agree with you that the true robber is the pastor who robs the congregation of their freedom to give out of freewill and not by compulsion (2 Cor 9:7).
Any pastor who quotes Mal 3:10 to a Christian as a basis for tithe of money, contradicts the law of grace ( John 1:17, Gal 3:11-13)
Tithe collectors either out of sheer ignorance or greed would always argue that instead of cow. oil. wine, cattle that Mosaic demanded as tithe items, that a Christian should tithe money because in Moses time, there was no money or money was no the means of exchange. This is erroneous because Deut 14:22-28, clearly shows there was money and the tither was to eat his tithe sacrifice at a place God would choose.
Moreover, it is evident from Mal 1 says that the tithe was specifically a duty to the Israelites to pay to the Levine’s who God chose to collect tithe of his brethren( the other tribes). As a Christian gentile I am not under the Jewish tradition and so that Mosaic tithe law doesn’t apply to me. cf Act 15:24;28-29,Numbers 18:21-24.
since church programmes needs money what I would rather like and encourage would be for pastors to have their members see reason of contributing agreed percentage of their income to support God’s work rather than quote Mosaic law to create fear in the minds of the believers and collect compulsory tithe, which some out of fear of trying to avert a curse pay yet not out of love but of fear of a curse( devourer)
saying also that Abraham paid tithe and was rich is a contradiction as Abraham was rich before he paid tithe and even Abraham’s tithe ( if at all) was not from his property but from the spoil of the war cf Gen 13:2;14:21.
if the pastor is wrong then GOD will deal with him i beleive . we went to a church and they would take sometimes two offerrings and we were just saved we owned our own buissnes and were struggling . we gave over and over and we were blessed big time many miracles in paying our bills happen, i know now the pastor was wrong we found out they were lying a lot but regardless we were blessed so give i think let GOD deal with the pastor.
My limited understanding was that Abraham gave the first tithe to the Priest of the Most High. And Abraham’s tithe was not according to the “Law”? But more of a honor to God for victory? Later, the tithe became a Law, Hebrews 7:5. Then Paul when writing to the Roman Christians states, Romans 6:15 “We are not under the Law, but under grace.” Of course 2 Corinthians 9:7 encourages us to give according to our heart. My wife and I give our tithe not because we should or because it is a command, but we are thankful for what God has done. Was not that the beginning of tithe by Abraham?
The most important thing here was that you gave from your heart.
You battled with this thing for a long time now, I’ve given the tithe and not given the full tithe, all coming back to the scriptures that have all been mentioned. One thing that I feel the spirit revealed to me was this; they asked Jesus, “Should we pay our taxes?” And Jesus said, “Give to Caesar what is his and to GOD what is his.” The last part of the sentence has put me in park. I’ve heard some say , “He’s talking about giving God yourself(your heart)etc; but the question was about, “do I give my money to tax collectors?” and Jesus said, Yes; and give to God what’s his. Jesus couldn’t have meant anything different than speaking of money.
* I have battled.
Give what’s due to Caesar was regarding taxes, and not tithes.
…and to God of God
David wilkes that is an excellent observation.
Please anyone feel free to explain this. If Jesus said anything about tithing, it was only in that small remark. Furthermore, the rest Jesus taught was simply, to give. Love thy neighbor as yourself. I believe Jesus gave us two concepts/ rules for giving
it’s categorically wrong! Tithe is the law while giving or give is an act of love essential to fulfill God;s law and there is complicated between these two ingredients if u’d ever read the bible seriously. don’t get me wrong the churches of today leaned much on Romanic form.
…or there is no complicated between these two ingredients
Hear what you’re saying, kinda. I’ve been back and forth; but it still doesn’t justify the response of Jesus concerning taxes. “Give to Ceaser his and God his.” Not that God ever needed a dollar but to the ministry. Jesus also said, “I did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill the Law.” The tithe was the requirement we read in Malachi but when we go back further then that, it was noted that Abraham paid tithe to the high priest 400 years before the law happened
David, u might be wondering why tithe(s) wasn’t so much mentioned in the New Testament or taught by the apostles of Jesus.
there’s a factor that we need to reconsider about the situation they were in and note, Jesus did not do away the laws of commandment of his father that had been handed down to his prophets. IT IS BOUND TO CONTINUE UP TO THE LAST DAYS OF MAN ACCORDING TO MATHEW 5:17.
18 ….For truly I tell you, until Heaven and Earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
no word is so powerful than the word of Jesus!
These are the factors that needs to look at.
1. During the apostle time the only scripture available was the first scripture and the new testament scripture wasn’t around or being in the process of making. so every preaching done by the apostles must be based on this scripture.
2. The Gentiles as well as the Greeks should keep the law of the jews as instructed by Paul as stated in Acts15.
3. The only tithe topic that was raised by Paul can be found in Hebrew 7:8, let’s read:
Hebrews 7:8
New International Version (NIV)
8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die (mortal man or the Levite priest);
but in the other case, by him (Jesus) who is declared to be living (Possessed an eternal life).
it’s clear that the tithing law wasn’t abrogated even in the time of Paul or in the modern times. it’s just there clearly written for people who loved to seek truth.
i hope u do understand my point.
Tithening,is like your paying tax for God.
Of every income you might have,a 10%…for those who cant afford to offer to God every Year?
You can able to fo it every paycheck you will recieve! As a Offering yo God….! As a that will be tested that if you really serious about Your Love and Faith to him…
God himself,,he offered his own Son Jesus to be sacrifice..Because he love Us! Because of us he cruscified his own son jesus….that desame thing like us…like tithe…not to be painful when you offer your money…foreget about the pastors…if they corrupt…thats their own accountability….think about your part only…because you believe thats why you give…..
John, when you quote Hebrews, the passage states that, “In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die.” You will notice that the tithe was literally, physically, collected by people who die.
It goes on to say, “But in the other case, by him (Jesus) who is declared to be living.” If we accept that this means the tenth continues to be literally and physically collected, then we must accept that it is literally and physically collected by Jesus.
If we believe this language to be literal rather than symbolic, we must simply set our tithes out and allow Jesus to physically pick them up and consume them.
But as to whether Paul meant to indicate that all believers in the Church age were to literally give a tenth of a particular material good, please consider the following message sent from the Apostles by the hand of Paul (among other faithful men), as recorded in Acts 15:
23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
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Love in Christ.
Did not jesus say give to man what is man. Give to god what is god is money from god or man is love from god or man.
Matthew 22:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.
Jesus gives you these material what you used with it is up to you ,. You should used it to glorified God , but men made money with it, do not make it your master. Men has let money be master of alot of their churches and lives
give what is to caeser(men) what is caeser(men) and give what to god is gods, is the church men or gods , give to men what is to men , give love and your whole attention to god,(church) is money from god or men ? is love from god or men? if you want to donate to church do it in secret not for others to see, god said do not let your right hand know what your left hand does, if im not allowed to see what my left and right hand does, why should others, donate in secret between you and god,
There wouldnt be a whole lot of gossip in church , if you would donate in secret, when you tithe in church everybody gossip, because they see john and his family hardly never tithes. And talk among theirself. Do it in secret if ur going to give money.
Jesus gave tributes because children was free he didnt want to offended one. And besides if he didnt they would probably killed him before last supper.
I dont think jesus said to tithe but he said greatest gift is charity . Helping others, but in secret.
Malachi 3:8-11 King James Version (KJV)
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith theLord of hosts.
King James Version (KJV)
Men in church is robbing god from his children. By tithing, teaching doctrine of men, sadness, hypocrisy in church instead of joy in church. Quit charging for bibles. His children don’t want to go to church no more. we need happiness , joy, meekness, patiences, love , faith hope, fruit of spirit in church ,
He is saying from my point of view dont tithe in church but tithe in his storehouse*building in which supplies are kept. so they will be meat(flesh)((People) in my house(church)
I really dont think he wants us tithe inside his house.
I was always told god wants you to keep your body holy because you are gods temple shouldn’t we keep gods house(temple) holy too , bring love to church not money.
I guess if you keep his church holy he will stop the devil from destroying your crops and ground.
If you crops will grow you can tithe crops 10 percent like old law that will pay the churches bills.
Why would you put dirty money in gods church that money might been used to kill ur dog.
Some one said we can pray over money in church alright maybe I can bring cigarettes and beer in church too , we can pray over it too.
Did u clean that money? start by putting money to good use like help homeless and sick, did he died for money to cleanse it or us ? We are clean thru jesus blood.
This is my opinions though
Just wanted to share .
I Love you.
Matthew 22:20-22 King James Version (KJV)
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.
Jesus gives you these material what you used with it is up to you ,. You should used it to glorified God , but men made money with it, do not make it your master. Men has let money be master of alot of their churches and lives
give what is to caeser(men) what is caeser(men) and give what to god is gods, is the church men or gods , give to men what is to men , give love and your whole attention to god,(church) is money from god or men ? is love from god or men? if you want to donate to church do it in secret not for others to see, god said do not let your right hand know what your left hand does, if im not allowed to see what my left and right hand does, why should others, donate in secret between you and god,
There wouldnt be a whole lot of gossip in church , if you would donate in secret, when you tithe in church everybody gossip, because they see john and his family hardly never tithes. And talk among theirself. Do it in secret if ur going to give money.
Jesus gave tributes because children was free he didnt want to offended one. And besides if he didnt they would probably killed him before last supper.
I dont think jesus said to tithe but he said greatest gift is charity . Helping others, but in secret.
Malachi 3:8-11 King James Version (KJV)
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith theLord of hosts.
King James Version (KJV)
Men in church is robbing god from his children. By tithing, teaching doctrine of men, sadness, hypocrisy in church instead of joy in church. Quit charging for bibles. His children don’t want to go to church no more. we need happiness , joy, meekness, patiences, love , faith hope, fruit of spirit in church ,
He is saying from my point of view dont tithe in church but tithe in his storehouse*building in which supplies are kept. so they will be meat(flesh)((People) in my house(church)
I really dont think he wants us tithe inside his house.
I was always told god wants you to keep your body holy because you are gods temple shouldn’t we keep gods house(temple) holy too , bring love to church not money.
I guess if you keep his church holy he will stop the devil from destroying your crops and ground.
If you crops will grow you can tithe crops 10 percent like old law that will pay the churches bills.
Why would you put dirty money in gods church that money might been used to kill ur dog.
Some one said we can pray over money in church alright maybe I can bring cigarettes and beer in church too , we can pray over it too.
Did u clean that money? start by putting money to good use like help homeless and sick, did he died for money to cleanse it or us ? We are clean thru jesus blood.
This is my opinions though
Just wanted to share .
I Love you.
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Deuteronomy 14:22-26 King James Version (KJV)
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household…
I agree. These days people just ask for some stupid amount like the people do have. Those who can’t even put food on table. It is sickening.
Okay why don’t the table be turned around and pastor asking the church to feed one family for a week with the tithing instead of paying it to the pastor. If every week that is done people will be watered and fed.
Or the pastor every Sunday pay the people $100 As an obedience to the tithe.
After all was it not meant for the people. Was the levitical priest not surprised to share the tithes to the people?
My tithing goes to those who I believe needs help. The children, the sick, the poor and the aged.
Tithe was first give out of faith by Abraham and Jacob, now God commanded it to the Israelite’s because that was essential in ensuring that the levites and the temple would have enough.Therefore Jesus Christ did not ask Peter and the rest of the disciples to build temples rather he told them that they must preach the word and we see that the disciples never asked tithe because they were no longer operating as levites rather commissioners! the tithe thing is a sham! the tithe which they collect is not even inline with the duties the tithe in the bible was used! church do not feed the poor through the tithe rather the pastor takes it all for himself! Sham!
I would challenge your assertions about the rightfulness elders/pastors receiving tithes. (Notice I said receiving, not demanding). I Timothy 5:17 – 18. Read it. Paul commends the Philippians for their giving to him, and calls their MATERIAL gift to him, “a sweet smelling aroma, an acceptable sacrifice, well pleasing to God.” (Context be.14 & ff). I would argue that the blessing of the “unspeakable gift” (II Corinthians 9:15), and which is triggered a response of shouted praises/thanksgivings going out to God in view of a tangible acknowledgement of spiritual blessings being poured out (triggered through an exchange between material abundance coming from one group of believers to spiritual recompences coming from recipients. And Paul uses the word “equality” (ministry to both groups) to describe the rightness of this exchange.
If tithing was made very fundamental to our mission here on earth, show us where Jesus, his disciples or Apostles collected tithe.
If they failed to give or collect tithe, that means we are simply missing the point and ignoring the most important messages for the unimportant ones.
Today, most pastors don’t care how the money is made… it’s all about money money money, building building building et al… the moral level of most of kids are completely ignored.
Can we focus on salvation of souls for once?
Damain
I like your response
Jesus never collected
Disciples never gave tithes
This settles it.
Good grief. That doesn’t settle it in any way. It’s not a salvation issue, so each should pray and earnestly seek the truth in this regard.
There’s ample reason to belief a faithful tithe as a minimum is a reasonable interpretation.